Amplitude for scalar-proca couplings

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around calculating the amplitude for an interaction between a scalar field and two identical spin-1 fields, specifically the process $$\phi \longrightarrow A^{\mu} A_{\mu}$$. Participants explore the implications of the Lagrangian density and the dimensional analysis of the constants involved.

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  • Mathematical reasoning
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes that the amplitude should evaluate to $$M = k\epsilon_{\mu}^{*}\epsilon^{\mu *}$$, questioning the dimensional consistency of the result.
  • Another participant confirms that the dimension of the matrix element squared should be energy squared, implying that the matrix element itself should have dimensions of energy.
  • Concerns are raised about the constant $$k$$ being unit-less, with a participant suggesting that the two polarization vectors yield different results based on their spins.
  • It is clarified that $$k$$ must have units of energy to ensure the Lagrangian density maintains the correct dimensionality.
  • Participants discuss the evaluation of the polarization vectors and their impact on the amplitude, noting that specific choices lead to different outcomes for the amplitude calculation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the dimensional analysis of the constants involved but express differing views on the implications of the polarization vectors and their contributions to the amplitude. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the exact evaluation of the amplitude based on spin states.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the dependence on the choice of polarization vectors and the assumptions made regarding the spins of the fields involved, which may affect the outcome of the calculations.

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I'm trying to calculate the amplitude for an interaction between a scalar field $$\phi$$ and two identical spin 1 fields $$A_{\mu} \quad and \quad A^{\mu}$$ for the interaction $$\phi \longrightarrow A^{\mu} A_{\mu}$$
with the Lagrangian density $$L_{int} = -ik\phi A^{\mu} A_{\mu}$$ where k is a constant. My first thought is that the amplitude should evaluate to $$M = k\epsilon_{\mu}^{*}\epsilon^{\mu *}$$ where each of the epsilons has a particular spin. Thus, this would evaluate to -k if the two spins are equal and 0 if they are not equal. However, I would expect this to come out in terms of energy squared, but this is clearly not the case. Where am I erring?
 
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The dimension of the matrix element squared should be energy squared so the dimension of the matrix element should be energy. This is consistent with what you have.
 
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Orodruin said:
The dimension of the matrix element squared should be energy squared so the dimension of the matrix element should be energy. This is consistent with what you have.

But -k is unit less. Am I wrong to thing that the two epsilons go to -1 if the spins are the same and 0 otherwise? Or is the -1 in units of energy?
 
No, ##k## is not unit-less. You can derive the unit of any constant in the Lagrangian on the basis that it has to have dimension energy^4 for the action to be dimensionless. Based on the kinetic terms, the scalar ##\phi## and the spin one fields ##A^\mu## both have dimension energy, which means that ##k## must have unit energy for the dimension of ##k\phi A^2## to be energy^4.

You should be able to check your assumption of the polarisations based on a particular representation of the polarisation vectors. For example, what happens if both epsilons are ##\epsilon^\mu = (0, 1, i , 0)^\mu/\sqrt{2}##.
 
Orodruin said:
No, ##k## is not unit-less. You can derive the unit of any constant in the Lagrangian on the basis that it has to have dimension energy^4 for the action to be dimensionless. Based on the kinetic terms, the scalar ##\phi## and the spin one fields ##A^\mu## both have dimension energy, which means that ##k## must have unit energy for the dimension of ##k\phi A^2## to be energy^4.

You should be able to check your assumption of the polarisations based on a particular representation of the polarisation vectors. For example, what happens if both epsilons are ##\epsilon^\mu = (0, 1, i , 0)^\mu/\sqrt{2}##.

Then $$\epsilon_{\mu}^{*}\epsilon^{\mu *}$$ evaluates to 0? The makes sense, the probability should be zero, since the spins must be opposite. So I guess it evaluates to -1 if the spins are different? If I make the other $$\epsilon_{\mu}^{*} = (0,1,-i,0)^{\mu}/\sqrt{2} $$ Then $$\epsilon_{\mu}^{*}\epsilon^{\mu *}$$ evaluates to $$-1 $$ indeed
 
Yes, notice that it will be different if you instead of the definite spin states chose to go with linear polarised spin vectors.
 

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