Amplitude of a photon's E and B fields

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The discussion revolves around the existence and formulation of electric and magnetic fields corresponding to a single photon within the framework of quantum electrodynamics. Participants explore whether these fields can be expressed in conventional units and how amplitudes relate to probabilities in quantum mechanics.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question whether electric and magnetic fields exist in quantum terms for a single photon and if they can be formulated in conventional units.
  • Others clarify that in quantum electrodynamics, electric and magnetic fields are treated as operators rather than amplitudes.
  • There is a discussion about the nature of amplitudes, with some asserting that they are used to calculate probabilities and cannot be expressed in conventional measurement units like MKS.
  • A participant expresses confusion about the definition and calculation of amplitude for a single photon, seeking clarification on whether there are other ways to define it beyond probability.
  • One participant challenges another's understanding of quantum mechanics by asking about their background in QM textbooks.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that amplitudes are related to probabilities in quantum mechanics, but there is disagreement regarding the formulation and interpretation of electric and magnetic fields in the context of a single photon.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved questions regarding the definitions of amplitude and its relationship to conventional units, as well as the complexities involved in describing photons in quantum terms.

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Hi. Please let me know if the question is misplaced in the quantum forum. Is the next. Exist, in quantum terms, the electric and magnetic fields corresponding to a single photon? If yes, add another question. Is there any way to formulate the amplitudes of both fields in electrodynamic terms? That is, in addition to formulating the amplitude in probabilistic terms, formulate it, for example, for ##\vec{E}## with a function whose dimensions are ##\frac{volt}{m}## and for ##\vec{H}## be tesla.
 
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Exist, in quantum terms, the electric and magnetic fields corresponding to a single photon?

In quantum electrodynamics, the "electric field" and "magnetic field" are operators. You can apply them to a quantum system in any state, including a state which can reasonably be described as "a single photon". (That simple-looking description hides a multitude of complexities, btw; a "photon" is even less aptly described as a tiny particle than an "electron", for reasons which are too technical to go into in a "B" level thread.) In other words, the "electric field" and "magnetic field" are valid observables in quantum electrodynamics.

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Is there any way to formulate the amplitudes of both fields in electrodynamic terms?

As above, the electric and magnetic fields aren't amplitudes, they're operators. As operators, you can pick whatever system of units works for your particular scenario.
 
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PeterDonis said:
As above, the electric and magnetic fields aren't amplitudes, they're operators. As operators, you can pick whatever system of units works for your particular scenario.
Thank you very much Peter Donis. I will try to indicate better my focus of interest. Does the quantum theory allow calculation of how much the amplitude is worth, expressing the result in a conventional unit system, for example MKS?
 
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Does the quantum theory allow calculation of how much the amplitude is worth

I'm not sure what you mean by "how much the amplitude is worth".

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expressing the result in a conventional unit system, for example MKS?

This wouldn't make sense. Units like MKS are units of measurement results. Amplitudes are numbers that are used to calculate the probabilities of different possible measurement results. Probabilities are just numbers; they aren't the same as the things they are probabilities of.
 
PeterDonis said:
Amplitudes are numbers that are used to calculate the probabilities of different possible measurement results. Probabilities are just numbers; they aren't the same as the things they are probabilities of.
Thank you. We are already at the point that interests me, included in the initial note of the thread. Should I understand that, except for probability, there are no other ways to define or calculate amplitude for a single photon?
 
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Should I understand that, except for probability, there are no other ways to define or calculate amplitude for a single photon?

Since amplitudes are defined as quantities used to compute probabilities, I guess the answer would be yes. I'm wondering why you would even think that the answer might be no. What QM textbooks have you studied?
 
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What QM textbooks have you studied?
It's true, the information in my profile explains it: no background !
 

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