An atomic explosion - more energy out than in?

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The discussion centers around the energy dynamics of nuclear explosions, specifically questioning how a nuclear warhead can release massive amounts of energy while seemingly requiring little energy input, and how this aligns with the law of conservation of energy. The scope includes theoretical explanations of nuclear fission and energy conservation principles.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that the energy output of a nuclear warhead does not violate the conservation of energy law, as the energy released comes from the nuclear binding energy of the fission process.
  • Others explain that the fission of unstable nuclides like U-235 or Pu-239 releases significant energy (around 200 MeV per fission event) due to the transition to more stable nuclei.
  • A participant draws an analogy comparing the energy release in fission to a ball rolling off a high wall, suggesting that a small input can release a much larger amount of stored energy.
  • There is a mention of the historical context of energy sources, indicating that the energy in nuclear reactions can be traced back to stellar processes, raising questions about the origins of energy in the universe.
  • One participant seeks clarification on whether the 200 MeV energy release is per atom, indicating a desire for precision in understanding the scale of energy involved.

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Participants generally agree that the conservation of energy law holds true in the context of nuclear explosions, but multiple competing views exist regarding the specifics of energy sources and the mechanisms of energy release in fission reactions. The discussion remains unresolved on some conceptual points.

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Some limitations include the dependence on definitions of energy input and output, as well as the assumptions regarding the stability of nuclides and the historical context of energy sources.

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A nuclear warhead for example doesn't seem to take a lot of energy to make, however it outputs massive amounts of energy in an instant. Why isn't this more energy out than in and why doesn't it break the law of conservation of energy?

I think the answer is going to have something to do with the energy required to make the small amount of matter used in the reaction in the first place. I was hoping someone could explain it to me.
 
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The fission reaction releases the nuclear energy within the nucleus of particularly unstable nuclides, usually U-235 or U-239. In the fission process U-235 + n -> U-236* and Pu-239 + n -> Pu-240*. In nuclear weapon, the neutrons have relatively fast energies on the order of 1 MeV. The fission reaction releases about 200 MeV of energy as the fission nucleus breaks into two more stable nuclei.

See http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/nucene/nucbin.html#c2
 
The law of energy conservation is still valid. Of all elements, Fe is the most stable atom, all heavier or lighter atoms have a tendency toward Fe, because they have more energy than Fe atom. In a star evolving cycle, there are times different elements are created ranging from He to U or whatever (the last in Mendelev table). So a nuclear warhead gives of massive amount of energy, yes, it all comes form the star long before.

If you ask: where did the energy of a star come from, may be it's from the BB, before that nobody knows.
 
johnfullerroot said:
A nuclear warhead for example doesn't seem to take a lot of energy to make, however it outputs massive amounts of energy in an instant. Why isn't this more energy out than in and why doesn't it break the law of conservation of energy?

I think the answer is going to have something to do with the energy required to make the small amount of matter used in the reaction in the first place. I was hoping someone could explain it to me.

Same as with burning petrol. Energy out is far greater than energy in - or is it? The energy comes from what has been already stored in the nucleus' bonds. With fission, that energy is released.

An analogy - imagine you had a 40km high wall on Earth. Place a ball on top of that, so it is barely balanced and needs 0.0001J to let it roll off. Next, a toddler comes and pushes that ball off with just that amount of energy. But, the ball releases its stored potential energy which is obviously a ridiculous amount in comparison to the original.. Some things just need a little push, like enriched uranium.

I think people on here overdo simple questions. As seen above...
 
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Astronuc said:
The fission reaction releases the nuclear energy within the nucleus of particularly unstable nuclides, usually U-235 or U-239. In the fission process U-235 + n -> U-236* and Pu-239 + n -> Pu-240*. In nuclear weapon, the neutrons have relatively fast energies on the order of 1 MeV. The fission reaction releases about 200 MeV of energy as the fission nucleus breaks into two more stable nuclei.

i just want to point out, that's 200 MeV, is per atom, right Astronuc?

"an MeV here, another MeV there, ... pretty soon that adds up to real money.. errr, energy."
 

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