An easy way to generate the unit cell

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The discussion revolves around generating fractional coordinates of atoms in a conventional unit cell from the fractional coordinates of the asymmetric unit and the space group of a material. It includes technical explanations of related concepts in crystallography and solid-state physics.

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  • Some participants inquire about methods to generate fractional coordinates for atoms in a conventional unit cell given the asymmetric unit and space group.
  • One participant suggests using PCW software for this purpose.
  • Another participant mentions VESTA as an alternative software tool and provides a link to its webpage.
  • Definitions of terms such as fractional coordinates, conventional unit cell, and asymmetric unit are provided, with explanations emphasizing their relevance in crystallography.
  • A participant questions the definition of a primitive cell, leading to a discussion about its characteristics compared to other unit cells.
  • There is a contention regarding the definition of a primitive cell, with one participant asserting that the definition applies to all unit cells, while another clarifies that not all unit cells are primitive.

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Participants generally agree on the definitions of fractional coordinates and conventional unit cells, but there is disagreement regarding the definition of a primitive cell and its distinction from other unit cells.

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Some definitions and concepts may depend on specific contexts within crystallography, and participants express varying levels of familiarity with the terminology.

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If I have the fractional coordinates of asymmetric unit and I know the space group of certain material, is there an easy way to generate the fractional coordinates of the atoms in the conventional unit cell?
 
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You can use PCW software.
 
Can you provide a link for the software page, please?
 
Useful nucleus said:
If I have the fractional coordinates of asymmetric unit and I know the space group of certain material, is there an easy way to generate the fractional coordinates of the atoms in the conventional unit cell?

Could you define the terms in red?
 
Thank you, abhi2005singh!



* Fractional coordinates: are the coordinates of the atoms in a box with respect to the vectors that define the box.Thus, they should range between 0 and 1. If a cubic box has edge length of 4 A and an atom has fractional coordinates 1/4 1/4 1/2 then (assuming the origin at (0,0,0), the Cartesian coordinates of this atom is (1,1,2)

* Conventional unit cell: Is the building block of a crystal structure that is not necessarily the most primitive one, but more important that it has more symmetry compared to the primitive cell.



*fractional coordinates of asymmetric unit: By which I mean the fractional coordinates of the atoms that are enough to form the smallest building block of a conventional unit cell. These fractions are with respect to the conventional cell vectors. The rest of atoms coordinates in the conventional cell can be evaluated based on the symmetry operations of the space group to which the structure belongs.


Better explanation can be found in Ashcroft and Mermine, Solid State Physics, Chapters 4,5,6,7
 
What is a primitive cell?
 
It is the volume of space that when translated through all vectors in a Bravais lattice , fills the space without overlapping or leaving voids.
 
I think that is the definition of any unit cell, not just a primitive one.
 
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Dickfore said:
I think that is the definition of any unit cell, not just a primitive one.

A primitive cell is a unit cell, but not all unit cells are primitive. A primitive unit cell is the smallest unit cell that can reproduce the entire crystal structure.

FCC unit cell: not primitive
1st Brillouin zone: primitive (in reciprocal space)

All the terms that Useful nucleus used in the OP are standard solid state/crystallography terms. They don't really need to be explained. They can be looked up easily.
 
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