An excercise in graviation by misner, thorne and wheeler

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The discussion focuses on problem 4.1 from "Gravitation" by Misner, Thorne, and Wheeler, specifically analyzing the conditions under which the Poynting vector vanishes in a rocket frame moving with velocity vector $$\vec{\beta}$$. The key equations involve Lorentz transformations for electric and magnetic fields, denoted as $$\bar{\vec{E}}$$ and $$\bar{\vec{B}}$$, which are expressed in terms of their parallel and perpendicular components. The challenge lies in demonstrating the cancellation of terms in the expression for the cross product of the transformed fields, particularly $$\bar{\vec{E}} \times \bar{\vec{B}}$$, and understanding the orientation of the original fields relative to the boost direction.

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Homework Statement


My question is on problem 4.1 of Gravitation. In a generic case of electric field and magnetic field(i.e not $$E=0$$ or $$B=0$$ or $$E$$ and $$B$$ perpendicular), define the direction $$\hat{n}$$ unit vector ,

$$\hat{n}\tanh (2\alpha)=\frac{2\vec{E}\times\vec{B}}{\vec{E}^{2}+\vec{B}^2}$$

and $$\vec{\beta}=\tanh(\alpha)\hat{n}$$

is the velocity vector.

Show in the frame of the rocket with velocity $$\vec{\beta}$$, the Poynting vector vanishes.

Homework Equations



\begin{align}
\bar{\vec{E_{\parallel}}}&=\vec{E_{\parallel}}, \\
\bar{\vec{E_{\perp}}}&=\frac{\vec{E_{\perp}}+\vec{\beta}\times\vec{B_{\perp}}}{\sqrt{1-\beta^{2}}},\\
\bar{\vec{B_{\parallel}}}&=\vec{B_{\parallel}}, \\
\bar{\vec{B_{\perp}}}&=\frac{\vec{B_{\perp}}-\vec{\beta}\times\vec{E_{\perp}}}{\sqrt{1-\beta^{2}}}.
\end{align}
Note $$\beta\times X_{\perp}=\beta\times X$$


The Attempt at a Solution


I tried the following but I am stuck at the cancellation.

Let the $$\bar{\vec{E}}$$ and $$\bar{\vec{B}}$$ be the field in the rocket frame and the field without bars be the field of the rest frame. direction parallel along the velocity of rocket is denoted as subscript $$\parallel$$ and direction perpendicular to velocity of rocket direction is denoted by $$\perp$$ as the subscript.

By lorentz transformation.
\begin{align}
\bar{\vec{E_{\parallel}}}&=\vec{E_{\parallel}}, \\
\bar{\vec{E_{\perp}}}&=\frac{\vec{E_{\perp}}+\vec{\beta}\times\vec{B_{\perp}}}{\sqrt{1-\beta^{2}}},\\
\bar{\vec{B_{\parallel}}}&=\vec{B_{\parallel}}, \\
\bar{\vec{B_{\perp}}}&=\frac{\vec{B_{\perp}}-\vec{\beta}\times\vec{E_{\perp}}}{\sqrt{1-\beta^{2}}}.
\end{align}
Note $\beta\times X_{\perp}$=$\beta\times X$

In barred frame,
\begin{align}
\bar{\vec{E}}\times\bar{\vec{B}}
&=(\bar{\vec{E_{\perp}}}+\bar{\vec{E_{\parallel}}})\times(\bar{\vec{B_{\perp}}}+\bar{\vec{B_{\parallel}}})\\
&=\bar{\vec{E_{\perp}}}\times\bar{\vec{B_{\parallel}}}+\bar{\vec{E_{\parallel}}}\times\bar{\vec{B_{\perp}}}.
\end{align}
Plug in the lorentz transformation. One gets

$$\frac{\vec{E}\times\vec{B}-\vec{E}_{\parallel}\times(\vec{\beta}\times\vec{E})-\vec{B}_{\parallel}\times(\vec{\beta}\times\vec{B})}{\sqrt{1-\beta^{2}}}.$$

Now the last two terms looks generically like $$\vec{X_{\parallel}}\times(\vec{\beta}\times\vec{X})$$ simplifies to $$\vec{X_{\perp}}(\vec{X}\cdot\vec{\beta})$$.

However, I could not see the cancellation at this stage any where. Did I do something wrong?
 
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Hello, zasdzcc.

How are ##\vec{E}## and ##\vec{B}## (in the original frame) oriented relative to the boost direction ##\vec{\beta}##? What does that tell you about ##\vec{E}_{\parallel}## and ##\vec{B}_{\parallel}##?

zasdzcc said:
In barred frame,
\begin{align}
\bar{\vec{E}}\times\bar{\vec{B}}
&=(\bar{\vec{E_{\perp}}}+\bar{\vec{E_{\parallel}}})\times(\bar{\vec{B_{\perp}}}+\bar{\vec{B_{\parallel}}})\\
&=\bar{\vec{E_{\perp}}}\times\bar{\vec{B_{\parallel}}}+ \bar{\vec{E_{\parallel}}}\times\bar{\vec{B_{\perp}}}.
\end{align}

EDIT: You can't assume that ##\bar{\vec{E_{\perp}}} \times \bar{\vec{B_{\perp}}} = 0##. That's something you need to show.
 
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