An odd coincidence or just nothing?

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The discussion revolves around a participant's observation regarding a numerical coincidence involving the speed of the Earth, the time it takes for the Earth to orbit, and the speed of light. The inquiry touches on concepts of spacetime and seeks to understand whether the observed result is significant or merely coincidental. Additionally, there are questions about calculating spacetime distances in a simplified manner.

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Main Points Raised

  • A participant presents a calculation involving the speed of the Earth, the number of seconds in a day, and the speed of light, questioning if the result is a coincidence or holds significance.
  • Another participant suggests that the observed result is due to a mathematical relationship rather than a meaningful discovery.
  • The original poster expresses a desire to understand spacetime distances in a simplified way, particularly in the context of a frequent journey involving multiple modes of transport.
  • A participant recommends familiarizing with the Lorentz Factor for better understanding and suggests posting in a different section for more detailed explanations.
  • Concerns are raised about the accuracy of the initial values used in the calculation, including the need for consistent units and proper mathematical operations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the significance of the initial calculation. There are differing views on the interpretation of the numbers presented and the appropriateness of the mathematical operations used.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations regarding the assumptions made about the values used in the calculations, the need for unit consistency, and the clarity of mathematical operations. The discussion does not resolve these issues.

Who May Find This Useful

Individuals interested in introductory mathematics and physics concepts, particularly those exploring spacetime and basic calculations related to motion and distance.

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Hi this is my first post on this site and glad to be here!

Ive only really started looking into maths and physics recently and feeling pretty overwhelmed at the moment.
After reading about spacetime i was just chucking numbers around when i noticed somthing odd (to me at the time anyway). When adding the speed of the Earth (e) to the amount of seconds it takes the Earth to orbit (o) and then dividing by the speed of light (l), the result includes the speed of the earth.

486000(e) + 86400(o) / 299792458(l) = 486000.0003

Im sure its nothing or to do determining the speed of Earth but its kind of bugging me.
Is it just a random coincidence? Is the 3 of any significance?

The only reason I am asking on here is because I've looked over the internet to anything related to it and found nothing (also why its probably nothing).

Thank you for any suggestions anyone can give.
 
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JackWilkinson said:
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486000(e) + 86400(o) / 299792458(l) = 486000.0003

Im sure its nothing or to do determining the speed of Earth but its kind of bugging me.
Is it just a random coincidence? Is the 3 of any significance?

Sorry to burst your bubble, Jack, but all you've discovered is that 86400/299792458 is close to .0003

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XD Haha! Thank you for being frank, like i said I am a bit overwhelmed.

Im really interested in maths and physics but struggle with maths although I am determined to continue with it.

Your response has made it clear to what i was looking at so thank you.

No worrys if your not interested but is there a "simplified" way of calculating spacetime distances?
I was trying to work out the spacetime distance between two towns (im having to keep it simple for now) or is that possible at all? More to the point it included a frequent journey i make in whitch at different points i would be 'walking to bus stop''waiting for for bus''journeying on the bus''going to trainstation-getting on the train etc etc

Again, thanks for any help.
 
JackWilkinson said:
No worrys if your not interested but is there a "simplified" way of calculating spacetime distances?
I was trying to work out the spacetime distance between two towns (im having to keep it simple for now) or is that possible at all? More to the point it included a frequent journey i make in whitch at different points i would be 'walking to bus stop''waiting for for bus''journeying on the bus''going to trainstation-getting on the train etc etc

I'm not a physicist, Jack, but you might want to familiarize yourself with the Lorentz Factor at the very least.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorentz_factor

If you want to know more, maybe post a topic in the General Physics section of the site. I'd gander that folks who can explain it far better than I will be more than wiling to clarify the issues for you.

- AC
 
Thank you so much my friend, that's very helpfull.
I was not sure whitch forum to go on so sorry if I've caused any disruption to this one.
 
86400 seconds is about one day, the rotational period, not the orbital period. Orbital period would be about 31536000 s.

Speed of Earth (orbital speed) is about 29800 m/s, where are you getting 486000 and in what units? Your values need to be in the same units or include conversion factors.

You say add this to that and then divide as in (A+B)/C but the operation you present would be like A+(B/C). If the later, you end up with seconds and a unit-less number... you can't add those meaningfully.
 

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