Analysis of vector fields, fourier and harmonics

Click For Summary
SUMMARY

This discussion centers on optimizing vector fields derived from finite element analysis, specifically focusing on defining an objective function through scalar measures of vector field properties. The user, SirAskalot, has utilized 1-dimensional measures such as flux through a surface, Fourier transforms, and total harmonic distortion but seeks a more comprehensive method. Suggestions include exploring 2D Fourier transforms and line integrals to better capture the vector field's behavior without relying on specific geometries. The goal is to identify a scalar quantity that effectively describes the vector field's characteristics and its response to changes in domain geometry.

PREREQUISITES
  • Understanding of vector fields and their properties
  • Familiarity with finite element analysis (FEA)
  • Knowledge of Fourier transforms, particularly 1D and 2D
  • Concepts of line integrals and path integrals in vector calculus
NEXT STEPS
  • Research methods for calculating 2D Fourier transforms in vector fields
  • Explore line integrals and their applications in vector field analysis
  • Investigate scalar measures for vector fields in optimization problems
  • Study the relationship between geometry changes and vector field behavior
USEFUL FOR

Researchers and engineers working on optimization problems involving vector fields, particularly those utilizing finite element analysis and seeking to enhance their understanding of scalar measures and Fourier analysis techniques.

SirAskalot
Messages
141
Reaction score
0
Hi

I am working on a optimization problem involving vector fields. In order to define a objective function I need a measure (scalar quantity) of some properties of the vector field. The vector field comes from a finite element analysis, that is the vector field is calculated on a discretized domain. If possible I want to exclude the time domain.

The properties I am interested in are the path/direction of the vector field. Due to the geometry and material properties the vector field (or flux) travels in an unwanted path.
Until now I have used a 1-dimensional measure( flux through a surface), calculated the Fourier transform and total harmonic distortion to describe the problem. But I feel this is not a good enough description of the behavior.

I have tried searching for a better solution but having difficulties finding the proper solution. From all the math class I have had up until now I don't recall a method having such a function. I have thought of a 2D Fourier transform but i lack the knowledge of analyzing the results. In essence I need a scalar quantity in the end. I don't know if one can describe the vector field by harmonic content as with the 1D case.

I don't need a actual unit on the measure, but a quantity who describe the field and how the field changes when the geometry of the domain is changed.

I would be very happy if any of you guys and girls could guide me in the right direction and suggest some methods I can look into.

Thanks,
SirAskalot

(if this thread fits better in another sub-category, let me know)
 
Physics news on Phys.org
TBH, I'm not entirely sure what you're asking. What follows is an attempt to answer what I *think* you're asking.

A path integral of a force field represents work (i component) and flux (j component). If you only have flux, you can only describe half the force field.
 
Maybe my inquiry was unclear. I should have attached a figure showing my intention. Unfortunately I don't have access to one at the moment, maybe i'll make one tomorrow.

A line integral would be a possibility and I have thought of doing such, but I am unsure on what line/path/geometry to choose. Maybe along some streamline, but then again choosing a similar streamline in the next trial would be hard.

What I was hoping for was a method utilizing the complete vector space. Not depending on the geometry of the domain.

joeblow: Thanks for the input, maybe you got some more if I describe the problem a little better.

If any of you got another ideas I would be very happy, anything goes.
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 6 ·
Replies
6
Views
2K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
4K
  • · Replies 11 ·
Replies
11
Views
3K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
2K
  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
2K
  • · Replies 7 ·
Replies
7
Views
840
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
2K
  • · Replies 12 ·
Replies
12
Views
2K
  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
2K