Analytical Chemistry - Systematic Treatment of Equilibrum

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around calculating the molar solubility of Ag2C2O4 (silver oxalate) in a solution with a specific H3O+ concentration. The participants explore the relevant chemical reactions, equilibrium constants, and the relationships between various species in solution. The scope includes homework-related problem-solving and mathematical reasoning.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • One participant outlines the pertinent reactions and the charge and mass balances but expresses uncertainty about the next steps in the calculation.
  • Another participant asks for additional equilibrium constants related to the reactions involved.
  • A participant provides values for the dissociation constants Ka1 and Ka2, noting slight discrepancies with another source.
  • There is a request for clarification on what exactly needs to be solved, including whether to find all concentrations of the species involved.
  • One participant suggests that a set of equations corresponding to the unknowns should be established, acknowledging the complexity of the equations and the potential need for approximations or numerical methods.
  • Concerns are raised about introducing additional unknowns into the problem, as it may complicate the solution process.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of understanding regarding the approach to solving the problem, with some uncertainty about the number of unknowns and how to proceed with the calculations. There is no consensus on the best method to solve for the concentrations of the species involved.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the complexity of the equations involved and the potential need for approximations or numerical solutions, indicating that the problem may not have a straightforward analytical solution.

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Homework Statement



Calculate the molar solubility of Ag2C2O4 (silver oxalate) in a solution that has a fixed H3O+ concentration of 1.0 x 10^-6 M.

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The Attempt at a Solution



I found the pertinent reactions, the charge balance and the mass balance so far, but I don't know what to do next.

Pertinent Reactions
Ag2C2O4(s) → 2Ag+(aq) + C2O4(2-)(aq) Ksp = 5.40 x 10^-12
H2C2O4(aq) + H2O(l) → HC2O4-(aq) + H3O+(aq)
HC2O4-(aq) + H2O(l) →C2O4(2-)(aq) + H30+(aq)

Charge Balance
[Ag+] + [H3O+] = 2[C2O4(2-)] + [HC2O4-]

Mass Balance
[Ag+] = 2[C2O4(2-)]
[Ag+] = 2{[C2O4(2-)] + [HC2O4-] + [H2C2O4]}
 
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What reactions take place, what are equilibrium constants (other than Ksp you already listed) for them?
 
I found that Ka1 = 5.60 x 10^-2 and ka2 =5.10 x 10^-5. Another site listed 5.4x10^-2 and 5.4x10^-5.

EDIT: Actually, I finally found it in my textbook. Ka1 = 5.62E-2 and ka2 = 5.42E-5
 
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Write formulas for both dissociation constants. Count your equations and your unknowns - are you ready to solve?
 
Hey Borek, I wrote out all the formulas. My question now is what exactly am I solving for? Am I suppose to solve for all the concentrations? [Ag+], [C2O4(2-)], [HC2O4-] and [H2C2O4]?

Also how am I suppose to solve for Ag+? Is it 5.4E-12 = [2x]^2 [x]?
 
Technically you should have a set of n-equations in n-unknowns - yes, solve for all unknowns and you are done.

Easier said than done, these are not linear equations, so you have to look for approximations or go numerical.

ahhppull said:
Also how am I suppose to solve for Ag+? Is it 5.4E-12 = [2x]^2 [x]?

It doesn't make sense to add another unknown x, you already have plenty of unknowns and this one is not going to make the problem much easier.
 

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