Ancestors of Plants: Fresh Water or Oceans?

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The discussion centers around the evolutionary origins of land plants, specifically whether their ancestors were freshwater or marine algae. It includes references to paleobotanical literature and fossil evidence, exploring the relationships between different groups of algae and early land plants.

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  • Some participants propose that plants evolved from freshwater algae, specifically mentioning Stonewort as a closely related organism.
  • Others reference literature suggesting that the evolutionary relationship between Bryophytes and Tracheophytes may indicate either a monophyletic or polyphyletic origin, with connections to both freshwater and marine environments.
  • A participant cites a 2003 paper indicating that fossil evidence suggests early plant fragments were found in environments that could be marginal marine or predominantly non-marine, leaving the origin ambiguous.
  • There is mention of the Charales, which are currently found in brackish or freshwater environments, as potentially influencing the conclusion of a freshwater origin for land plants.
  • Some participants express that the lack of clear fossil evidence leaves the question of freshwater versus marine origin unresolved.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on whether the ancestors of plants were freshwater or marine algae, with multiple competing views and uncertainties remaining in the discussion.

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The discussion highlights limitations in fossil evidence and the dependence on interpretations of evolutionary relationships, which may vary based on different studies and definitions.

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All of us do know that plants evolved from green algae, but the algae is from fresh water or oceans?
 
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Hi,
It is most likely a freshwater algae.
I believe it is closely related to the Stonewort which is freshwater.
 
glycerol said:
All of us do know that plants evolved from green algae, but the algae is from fresh water or oceans?

Hi,
my last palaeobotany lessons were more than a decade ago, so I had a look at my literature here (end 80s), which says that Bryophytes and Tracheophytes (mosses and vascular plants) are either monophyletic or polyphyletic and most closely related to either Ulotrichales or Chaetophorales or Charales and either of freshwater or of marine origin. *lol*

A 2003 paper on http://eprints.whiterose.ac.uk/106/1/wellmanch1.pdf" says Bryophytes and Tracheophytes are most likely monophyletic and sister to Charales. Furthermore the sediments the first tiny plant fragments were found in "suggest a marginal marine setting, a predominantly non-marine environment with minor marine incursions, or an entirely non-marine sequence into which the rare marine elements are reworked." *smile*

While fossil evidence isn't clear about freshwater or marine origin of land plants, wikipedia (citing the 2003 paper) asserts a freshwater origin ... I thing this conclusion comes from the sistergroup relationship to Charales. As extant species of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charales" are growing in brackish or freshwater environments.

Some good fossils of early land plants, when being found, might confirm or change that view.
 
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