And the good news is, you'll get old

  • Thread starter Thread starter EnumaElish
  • Start date Start date
  • Tags Tags
    News
Click For Summary

Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the emotional and psychological aspects of aging, particularly focusing on middle age and older age. Participants explore themes of happiness, depression, and the challenges associated with these life stages, drawing on personal experiences and studies.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Exploratory

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants reference a study indicating that depression peaks in middle age, particularly in the forties, but the reasons for this trend remain unclear.
  • Others express that recognizing the transient nature of mid-life challenges can alleviate feelings of depression.
  • Concerns are raised about the difficulties of aging, including health issues, loss of loved ones, and decreased income, particularly in older age.
  • Some participants challenge the notion that senior citizens are the happiest, suggesting that this may only apply to those who are wealthy or healthy.
  • One participant shares a personal family history of longevity and health, questioning how typical their experiences are.
  • There are contrasting views on the experience of middle age, with some participants highlighting positive aspects such as personal achievements and family joys.
  • Discussion includes humor and light-hearted remarks about aging and physical changes, indicating a mix of serious and playful tones in the conversation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

The discussion reflects a lack of consensus on the emotional experience of aging, with multiple competing views on the happiness and challenges associated with middle and older age. Participants express both positive and negative perspectives, indicating a complex and nuanced understanding of the topic.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference various studies and personal anecdotes, but there are limitations in the assumptions made about happiness and health across different demographics. The discussion does not resolve the complexities of aging and its psychological impacts.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to individuals exploring the psychological aspects of aging, mental health professionals, and those seeking to understand the diverse experiences associated with middle and older age.

EnumaElish
Science Advisor
Messages
2,348
Reaction score
124
Middle-age is truly depressing, study finds

By Michael Kahn Tue Jan 29, 7:25 AM ET

LONDON (Reuters) - Middle age is truly miserable, according to a study using data from 80 countries showing that depression is most common among men and women in their forties.

...

The researchers analyzed data on depression, anxiety levels and general mental health and well-being taken from some 2 million people in 80 countries.

U-SHAPED PATTERN

For men and women the probability of depression slowly builds and then peaks when people are in their forties -- a similar pattern found in 72 countries ranging from Albania to Zimbabwe, the researchers said.

...

"It happens to men and women, to single and married people, to rich and poor, and to those with and without children," Oswald said. "Nobody knows why we see this consistency."

...
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080129/hl_nm/depression_age_dc

Can this realization be part of the cure?
 
Last edited by a moderator:
Biology news on Phys.org
Yes, realizing that this, too, shall pass does help the middle-aged doldrums.

Mid-life bites. It means launching the kids into the world, watching parents become elderly...not to mention seeing our own health begin to fail!
 
lisab said:
Yes, realizing that this, too, shall pass does help the middle-aged doldrums.

Mid-life bites. It means launching the kids into the world, watching parents become elderly...not to mention seeing our own health begin to fail!
What about older age, though? Isn't old age more of the some of the things you've mentioned? (Parents, own health?)
 
Middle age in the 40s? Hmmph! I'm planning to enjoy a couple dozen decades of travel after I retire, like Andre's parents. :biggrin:
 
I read a study recently that claimed that senior citizens were the happiest. I find that hard to believe unless they only studied the independently wealthy and unusually healthy.

In that age range, you usually suffer the loss of a spouse, close relatives, and friends, find that you are no longer able to participate in normal activities you have always enjoyed, have decreased income, and suffer from increased age related health problems.

As for longevity, on my mother's side the women have lived to very old ages, exceeding 100 years in many cases, and with no illness or loss of activity. On my father's side, he died at age 53. His mother was completely paralyzed from arthritis, although she lived to the age of 94. Luckily, no cancer or other serious illnesses on either side of the family, ever, in known history. I wonder how unusual that is.
 
Last edited:
Evo said:
In that age range, you usually suffer the loss of a spouse, close relatives, and friends, find that you are no longer able to participate in normal activities you have always enjoyed, have decreased income, and suffer from increased age related health problems.
Bah! A walk in the park ... compared to the discovery of sagging implants!
 
Gokul43201 said:
Bah! A walk in the park ... compared to the discovery of sagging implants!


OH NO! Which of your implants are sagging, Gok?? :biggrin:
 
Middle-age is truly depressing.

Definitely not, never notice anything. Just be sure to have a couple of great kids, with whom you can have fun, help with homework, enjoy the good things, nice paintings, good music, looking forward to achieve goals, have creative hobbies, photographing butterflies for instance

butterflies2.JPG


(if you want one real size just pm me).

If you see this, how can you worry about getting old? Just enjoy so much that there is no time for worrying.
 
Dunno, I'm 57 and still waiting for middle age to set in. My mother too. She just turned 38 (meaning she's 83).
 
  • #10
EnumaElish said:
What about older age, though? Isn't old age more of the some of the things you've mentioned? (Parents, own health?)

I don't think my folks will still be with us by the time I'm in my old-age years. And the bittersweet heartbreak of the empty nest will be blunted by then, I'm sure.

I'm actually looking forward to being old. I love my job but I'll be happy when I'll have a completely flexible schedule. I work in the wood products industry and my job security is tied to the economy...it's a little precarious right now. It will be nice when my income (from 401k, pension, and social security) isn't so uncertain.

(And yes I know pensions can simply disappear :frown: . I'm not depending on it.)
 
  • #11
Tsu said:
OH NO! Which of your implants are sagging, Gok?? :biggrin:

The left one. :biggrin: :smile:
 
  • #12
Evo said:
I read a study recently that claimed that senior citizens were the happiest. I find that hard to believe unless they only studied the independently wealthy and unusually healthy.

In that age range, you usually suffer the loss of a spouse, close relatives, and friends, find that you are no longer able to participate in normal activities you have always enjoyed, have decreased income, and suffer from increased age related health problems.

As for longevity, on my mother's side the women have lived to very old ages, exceeding 100 years in many cases, and with no illness or loss of activity. On my father's side, he died at age 53. His mother was completely paralyzed from arthritis, although she lived to the age of 94. Luckily, no cancer or other serious illnesses on either side of the family, ever, in known history. I wonder how unusual that is.
The article did make the point - "But the good news is that if people make it to aged 70 and are still physically fit, they are on average as happy and mentally healthy as a 20-year old." So the statement is conditional.

Happiness is largely a matter of attitude and of choice.


The Turtles - :biggrin:
 
Last edited by a moderator:
  • #13
I think I was happy when I hit my middle age. Lot's of good things happened. I got my driver's license, was able to vote. Could buy lottery tickets.
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 6 ·
Replies
6
Views
4K
Replies
5
Views
3K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
4K
  • · Replies 33 ·
2
Replies
33
Views
7K
Replies
2
Views
3K
  • · Replies 65 ·
3
Replies
65
Views
12K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
4K
  • · Replies 7 ·
Replies
7
Views
4K
  • · Replies 7 ·
Replies
7
Views
4K
  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
5K