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The discussion revolves around calculating the angle θ between a force vector and a displacement vector in a physics context. The force vector has components in three dimensions, and the displacement occurs along the vertical z-axis.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the relationship between work, force, and displacement, particularly focusing on the dot product. Questions arise about the definitions of the dot product and how to apply them to find the angle θ.

Discussion Status

Participants are exploring various interpretations of the problem, particularly regarding the direction of displacement and its implications for the force components involved. Some guidance has been offered regarding the use of magnitudes and the dot product to find the angle, but no consensus has been reached on the final approach.

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There is a specific focus on the vertical displacement of 4 m and its implications for the components of the force vector that should be considered in the calculations. Participants are also navigating potential misunderstandings about the relationship between the force and displacement in the context of work done.

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Homework Statement


Hint: W = ~S · ~F .
Consider a force ~F with components Fx =28 N, Fy = 57 N, and Fz = 99 N, as illustrated in the figure below. Work is done when a particle moves up the vertical z-axis a distance of 4 m.
[PLAIN]http://img691.imageshack.us/img691/5594/problem4e.jpg
What is the angle θ between the body diagonal which represents the force ~F and the front-left edge of the block which represents both the z-component Fz of the vector ~F and the vector ~S the particle traversed?
Answer in units of ◦

Homework Equations


They give me a hint of W= S *F
but I don't know S or W...


The Attempt at a Solution


F= 28i + 57 j + 99 k
 
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Work for a constant force is the dot product between the force and the displacement,
[tex]W=\vec{F} \cdot \vec{d}[/tex].

What are the two definitions of the dot/scalar product, and how can you use them to find the angle θ?
 
jhae2.718 said:
Work for a constant force is the dot product between the force and the displacement,
[tex]W=\vec{F} \cdot \vec{d}[/tex].

What are the two definitions of the dot/scalar product, and how can you use them to find the angle θ?

W= F * d= mag(F delta d) costheta?
so is the distance only in the z direction?
and if so does that mean only Fzk matter?
 
The problem says "Work is done when a particle moves up the vertical z-axis a distance of 4 m", so what does that imply about the direction of the displacement?

You can relate the dot product in terms of the magnitudes and cos(theta) with the dot product in terms of the components to find cos(theta), and then use arcos(cos(theta)).
 
jhae2.718 said:
The problem says "Work is done when a particle moves up the vertical z-axis a distance of 4 m", so what does that imply about the direction of the displacement?

You can relate the dot product in terms of the magnitudes and cos(theta) with the dot product in terms of the components to find cos(theta), and then use arcos(cos(theta)).

So the direction is in the z direction... so does this mean I only need to care about Fzk(which is also S) and F?
 
Essentially; [tex]W=F_z\hat{k} \cdot S\hat{k}[/tex] in this case. Now, from this, how can you get [tex]\theta[/tex]?

Note that you don't need to take [tex]\vec{F}[/tex] itself in the calculation once you've put it into component form.
 
jhae2.718 said:
Essentially; [tex]W=F_z\hat{k} \cdot S\hat{k}[/tex] in this case. Now, from this, how can you get [tex]\theta[/tex]?

Note that you don't need to take [tex]\vec{F}[/tex] itself in the calculation once you've put it into component form.

So, Fzk=99k
W= 99k * S= mag (99k*S)costheta
theta=arccos( 99k*S)/mag (99k*S)

but how do I get S?
 
S is 4 m.

You're making a mistake. It is the magnitude of [tex]\vec{F}[/tex] in the dot product, so you should have:
[tex]99\,\mathrm{N}\cdot 4\,\mathrm{m}=|\vec{F}| \cdot 4\,\mathrm{m} \cos(\theta)[/tex].

[tex]|\vec{F}|=\sqrt{F_x^2+F_y^2+F_z^2}[/tex].
 
jhae2.718 said:
S is 4 m.

You're making a mistake. It is the magnitude of [tex]\vec{F}[/tex] in the dot product, so you should have:
[tex]99\,\mathrm{N}\cdot 4\,\mathrm{m}=|\vec{F}| \cdot 4\,\mathrm{m} \cos(\theta)[/tex].

[tex]|\vec{F}|=\sqrt{F_x^2+F_y^2+F_z^2}[/tex].

Oh, I see now.

Thanks so much!
 

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