Mass of a picture in static equilibrium

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving static equilibrium, specifically focusing on the forces acting on a picture being held against a wall by an artist. The problem includes concepts of friction, normal force, and the application of forces at an angle.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the equilibrium of forces acting on the picture, questioning the correct application of the force of friction and the normal force. There is a focus on the components of the applied force and how they relate to the mass of the picture.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging in clarifying the definitions and relationships between the forces involved. Some have provided insights into the correct expressions for the normal force and friction, while others express confusion about the role of mass in these equations. The discussion is ongoing with various interpretations being explored.

Contextual Notes

There is a noted confusion regarding the application of trigonometric functions to the forces involved, particularly in relation to the angle of the applied force and its components. Participants are also addressing the implications of using mass in the context of the normal force.

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Homework Statement


An artist must push with a minimum of 75N at an angle of 45° to a picture to hold it in equilibrium. The coefficient of friction between the wall and the picture frame is 0.30. What is the mass of the picture?

Homework Equations


ΣF=0
Ffr=μFN
F=ma

The Attempt at a Solution


I set up an equilibrium equation of the y components of all the forces to find the mass. the y components would be, the force of gravity acting on the picture, the force of friction between the picture and the wall, and the y component of the applied force of the artist on the picture. Making the up forces equal to the down forces, you should get, Fappsin(45)=Fg-Ffr. Plugging in values into the known variables you should get, 75sin(45)=m(9.8)-(0.3)m(75sin(45). I factored out m and divided both sides by everything in the brackets to solve for m, obviously though I didn't get the answer.
 
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The problem is how the equation for the force of friction was used. The correct form is
$$F_{fr}=\mu F_{N}$$
where ##F_{N}## is the normal force between the picture and the wall.
 
NFuller said:
The problem is how the equation for the force of friction was used. The correct form is
$$F_{fr}=\mu F_{N}$$
where ##F_{N}## is the normal force between the picture and the wall.
Yeah sorry, I realized the proper term would be FN, but it wouldn't matter because the normal force would still be 75sin(45) since the x component of 75N would be the normal force acting on the picture.
 
It matters because there is no mass term in the expression for ##F_{N}##.
 
NFuller said:
It matters because there is no mass term in the expression for ##F_{N}##.
I'm confused, isn't the expression for FN=mass x gravity, where gravity is the x component of the applied force?
 
Gravity only operates in the y direction, so it cannot produce a force in the x direction. Here ##F_{N}## is the x component of the force applied by the person pushing the painting against the wall.
 
NFuller said:
Gravity only operates in the y direction, so it cannot produce a force in the x direction. Here ##F_{N}## is the x component of the force applied by the person pushing the painting against the wall.
The x component is going to be still 75sin(45) since it's a 45 degree. I could use 75cos(45) but cos(45) and sin(45) are the same value it doesn't matter which trig function I use. I'm just baffled because everything seems right to me.
 
Your work says
$$F_{N}=m*75\sin(45)$$
There is no mass term. It should be
$$F_{N}=75\cos(45)$$
 
NFuller said:
Your work says
$$F_{N}=m*75\sin(45)$$
There is no mass term. It should be
$$F_{N}=75\cos(45)$$
Oh wow it just hit me, haha I feel so dumb. Since the force has already been given by 75sin(45), a mass term would be ridiculous.
 

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