Angle Between Two Forces: Understanding Vector Addition and Magnitude

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The discussion revolves around finding the angle between two forces of equal magnitude, specifically when the magnitude of their resultant is equal to the magnitude of either force. The context involves vector addition and understanding the components of vectors in a two-dimensional space.

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  • Participants discuss the placement of vectors and the significance of their angles. There are attempts to clarify the notation of vectors and their components, as well as questions about the correctness of drawn diagrams and the implications of specific angles, such as 0° for parallel vectors.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights into vector addition and the importance of understanding components. Some guidance has been offered regarding the drawing of vectors and the need to correct diagrams, but there is no explicit consensus on the solution yet.

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There are mentions of a book example that participants are trying to understand, and some confusion exists regarding the notation and the setup of the problem. Participants are also questioning the assumptions made in their diagrams and calculations.

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Find the angle between two forces of equal magnitude when the magnitude of their resultant is also equal to the magnitude of either of the forces

2. The attempt at a solution

x-component of the resultant:

Rx = F1 cos 0\circ + F2 cos θ
Rx = F1 + F2 cos θ

It's an Example in my book and I want to know why F1 cos 0\circ has an angle of 0. Also, I don't how they have done it either.
 
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Well let's think about it like this. It doesn't matter where we put the vectors, all that matters is the angle between them. So for convenience, let us place one vector along the x-axis with a length A. Then the other vector will be pointing up at some angle \theta
It may help to draw the vectors out. Also draw the resultant vector. So we have two vectors of length A. We call them A1 and A2. A1 is along the x axis. We have

\vec A_1 = A \hat i

\vec A_2 = A cos \theta \hat i + A sin \theta \hat j

The resultant vector is

\vec R = \vec A_1 + \vec A_2 = (A + A cos \theta) \hat i + (A sin \theta) \hat j

The magnitude of the resultant must also be A. If you set the magnitude (the square root of the sum of the squares of the components) of the resultant vector equal to A, you should be able to solve for theta.

Give this a try and see what you get
 
Oh yes... you may not have seen this notation. When I write

\vec F = (f_x) \hat i + (f_y) \hat j

this means that F is a vector with two components. It has an x component and a y component. i hat and j hat are unit vectors. A unit vector is just a vector of length "1". We denote them by writing little hats over the lowercase letters. By convention, we use i hat for a unit vector in the x direction and j hat for a vector in the y direction.

So the point of this is that when you see a vector written in this way, the f_x is just the x component and the f_y is just the y component.

My apologies if you already know this.
 
Yep, I know about unit vectors, but Thnx for the info. :)

Well, It's been solved in the book in Example, but I can't understand it...

I've drawn the following diagram to solve it. Am I doing it right? Also, 0° is for the parallel vectors ?

angle.png
 
The idea is this. One vector is lying on the x axis, so it only has one component, (an x component).
The other vector has both an x component and a y component.
You are to add these two vectors to find a resultant vector.
To do this, you use the definition of vector addition. Vector addition is defined as simply adding the components of two vectors together to find the resultant vector.
Then the magnitude of a vector is the square root of the sum of the squares of its components.
If you understand these things, you should be able to solve the problem.
Your diagram is a bit wrong i think.
First of all, if you set F1 on the x axis, then
F_1 sin 0 = 0
So F1 sin 0 should not be on the diagram. It is just zero.
Also...
F_2 sin \theta
is a y-component... however you have drawn it at an angle. It should be drawn vertically upwards. If you make these corrections, and then add the vectors again, you will arrive at the correct answer.
 

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