Angular acceleration of the pulley

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The discussion revolves around a problem involving a block connected to a pulley, focusing on angular acceleration, block acceleration, and tension in the rope. The subject area includes dynamics and rotational motion.

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  • The original poster attempts to derive angular acceleration, block acceleration, and tension using Newton's laws and rotational dynamics. Some participants question the assumptions regarding the system's setup and the forces acting on the pulley and block.

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Participants are exploring the relationships between the forces and accelerations in the system. There is acknowledgment of the original poster's calculations, but also a challenge regarding the correctness of the tension value compared to the book's answer. The discussion includes clarifications about the physical setup of the problem.

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There is mention of a diagram that provides additional context, which is not included in the text. The original poster uses g = 10 m/s² for calculations, and there is a debate about the implications of using different values for g on the tension calculation.

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a block with a mass of m=10kg is connected to a pulley with a mass of M=2.5kg and a radius of R=0.5m. what is
1) the angular acceleration of the pulley
2) the acceleration of the block
3) the tension in the rope connecting them?
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equations
F=ma
I[tex]\alpha[/tex]=|FR|sin
a=[tex]\alpha[/tex]R
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my attempt

1)I[tex]\alpha[/tex]=|FR|sin
the angle between the radius and the force (the rope) is 90 degrees, sin90=1

I[tex]\alpha[/tex]=|TR|
I=0.5MR[tex]^{2}[/tex]
using Newtons 2nd law on the block mg-T=ma,=> T=m(g-a)

[tex]\alpha[/tex]=|TR|/I
=[tex]\frac{mR(g-a)}{0.5MR^{2}}[/tex]
=[tex]\frac{2m(g-a)}{MR}[/tex]

a=[tex]\alpha[/tex]R
[tex]\alpha[/tex]=[tex]\frac{2m(g-[tex]\alpha[/tex]R)}{MR}[/tex]
[tex]\alpha[/tex]MR=2mg-2m[tex]\alpha[/tex]R
[tex]\alpha[/tex](MR+2mR)=2mg

[tex]\alpha[/tex]=[tex]\frac{2mg}{R(M+2m)}[/tex]

plug in the numbers, and i get [tex]\alpha[/tex]= [tex]\frac{160}{9}[/tex] rad/s[tex]^{2}[/tex]


2) to find the acceleration of the block, a

a=[tex]\alpha[/tex]R=[tex]\frac{2mg}{(M+2m)}[/tex]=[tex]\frac{80}{9}[/tex]m/s[tex]^{2}[/tex]


3) to find the tension in the rope, using Newtons 2nd law on the block mg-T=ma,=> T=m(g-a) using the a i found in 2)

T=m(g-[tex]\frac{2mg}{(M+2m)}[/tex])=100/9 N

are these workings correct??
the answers are all correct except the answer for 3) which my book says T=800/9
 
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I have no idea what you are doing. Why should the mass and pulley move at all? Are you assuming that the mass is hanging from a cable passing through the pulley? Is there a force on the cable? Is the pulley attached to something?

In other words, what is the question? You can't just start writing equations without explaining what's going on!
 


sorry, in the actual question there is a diagram, so its a little more understood than my version...

the mass is attached to a cord which passes through the pulley, the pulley is fixed in its place and can only spin(not move upwards or donwards) the mass has downward acceleration.
 


Dell said:
3) to find the tension in the rope, using Newtons 2nd law on the block mg-T=ma,=> T=m(g-a) using the a i found in 2)

T=m(g-[tex]\frac{2mg}{(M+2m)}[/tex])=100/9 N

are these workings correct??
Looks OK to me. (You are using g = 10 m/s^2.)
 


i am using g as 10
but even if i used 9.8 that wouldn't have changed the anwser to 800/9,
the only way i seem to be able to reach that answer is if i say-
T=ma, which is just wrong,
 


Dell said:
i am using g as 10
but even if i used 9.8 that wouldn't have changed the anwser to 800/9,
the only way i seem to be able to reach that answer is if i say-
T=ma, which is just wrong,
Correct. The book's answer is way off.
 

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