Angular + Linear Velocity problem

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The discussion revolves around solving a physics problem involving a bowling ball rolling down a ramp, where the goal is to find its linear velocity at the bottom. The initial approach used conservation of angular momentum but overlooked the translational motion of the ball. The correct method incorporates both rotational and translational kinetic energy, leading to the final velocity of 6.5 m/s. The relationship between linear and angular velocity, expressed as v = rω, is crucial for solving the problem accurately. Ultimately, the participant resolved their confusion and confirmed the correct setup for the calculations.
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I kno this is pretty simple and the answer is probably staring me in the face, but I'm lost for some reason. Our teacher gave back our tests so i have the answer, but I'm not sure how to get it. I haven't had a chance to speak to my teacher yet, but i intend to tomorrow if no one helps me first.

Homework Statement



A bowling ball [(mass = 7 kg)(radius = .50m)] rolls without slipping down a 3m high ramp. Starting from rest, find the velocity at the bottom of the ramp.

Homework Equations



Bowling ball inertia = I = (2/5)(M)(R)^2 = (0.7)

The Attempt at a Solution



I used conservation of angular momentum

(1/2)(I-initial)(omega-initial)^{2} + mg(h-initial) = (1/2)(I-final)(omega-final)^{2} + mg(h-final)

after calculating i got omega-final = 24 (actually 24.25, but he instructed us to round to the nearest whole number)
i converted that to v = 12

which is wrong

i was supposed to set it up as:

(1/2)(I-initial)(omega-initial)^{2} + mg(h-initial) = (1/2)(I-final)(omega-final)^{2} + mg(h-final) + (1/2)m(v)^{2}

and v = 6.5 is the answer

i was under the impression we were supposed to find the angular velocity at the bottom of the ramp and convert to linear velocity

i'm not sure how he got v = 6.5
 
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In your solution, you ignored the translational motion of the ball. The ball ends up with both rotational speed and translational speed. Hint: How are those two speeds related for rolling without slipping?
 
are you referring to v = rω?
 
GeorgeCostanz said:
are you referring to v = rω?
Yes.
 
so would it look like:

(1/2)(I-initial)(omega-initial)^{2} + mg(h-initial) = (1/2)(I-final)(omega-final)^{2} + mg(h-final) + (1/2)m(r)^{2}(omega-final)^{2}

just worked it out and got the right answer
i actually set it up like that last night and worked it out but just now realized i made a simple error
hate when that happens

thanks doc!
 
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