Angular momentum and Hamiltonian commutator

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the relationship between the angular momentum operator \( J \) and the Hamiltonian \( H \) in quantum mechanics, specifically exploring the commutation relation \([J, H] = \frac{dJ}{dt}\). Participants reference the Heisenberg picture of quantum mechanics and its implications for operator dynamics.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants inquire whether the relation \([J, H] = \frac{dJ}{dt}\) is generally valid, particularly in the context of a spin 1/2 system interacting with a magnetic field.
  • One participant suggests that the commutator can be computed by decomposing \( J \) and \( H \) into component operators, noting that this approach may not apply if \( J \) represents spin.
  • Another participant asserts that the relation is indeed the equation of motion for an operator in the Heisenberg picture, questioning whether it is a postulate or derived from other principles.
  • Further clarification is provided that the equation is equivalent to the Schrödinger equation, highlighting the difference between the time evolution of states in the Schrödinger picture and operators in the Heisenberg picture.
  • A participant expresses confusion stemming from their familiarity with the Hamiltonian in the Schrödinger picture, indicating a need to adjust to the Heisenberg formulation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants exhibit some agreement on the interpretation of the commutation relation as an equation of motion in the Heisenberg picture, but there remains uncertainty regarding its general applicability and derivation.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions about the nature of the operators and the specific contexts in which the commutation relation holds may not be fully articulated, leading to potential limitations in the discussion.

blagershod.smee
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Hello,

Is it generally the case that [J, H] = dJ/dt?

I saw this appear in a problem involving a spin 1/2 system interacting with a magnetic field.

If so, why?This seems like a very basic relation but I'm having a bit of brain freeze and can't see the answer right now.
 
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You can just work out the commutator yourself by decomposing J and H into component operators. It won't work if J is spin, but you can try it for L.
 
blagershod.smee said:
Hello,

Is it generally the case that [J, H] = dJ/dt?

I saw this appear in a problem involving a spin 1/2 system interacting with a magnetic field.

If so, why?This seems like a very basic relation but I'm having a bit of brain freeze and can't see the answer right now.

This is just the equation of motion of an operator in the Heisenberg picture, isn't it?
 
jensa said:
This is just the equation of motion of an operator in the Heisenberg picture, isn't it?

Okay, so in the Heisenberg scheme I can say that for any operator O, [O, H] = dO/dt?

Is this a postulate or derived from something else?
 
blagershod.smee said:
Okay, so in the Heisenberg scheme I can say that for any operator O, [O, H] = dO/dt?

Is this a postulate or derived from something else?

It's a dynamical equation which is equivalent to the Schrödinger equation. In the Schrödinger picture the states change with time, in the Heisenberg picture the operators change with time.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heisenberg_picture
 
jensa said:
It's a dynamical equation which is equivalent to the Schrödinger equation. In the Schrödinger picture the states change with time, in the Heisenberg picture the operators change with time.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heisenberg_picture

Thanks for the link. I think my confusion arose because I'm used to thinking of the Hamiltonian in terms of the Schrödinger picture and have not gotten used to the Heisenberg formulation.
 

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