Angular momentum and orientation of electron orbit with l = 0

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The discussion revolves around the concept of angular momentum and the orientation of electron orbits, specifically focusing on the case where the angular momentum quantum number l = 0. Participants explore the implications of this quantum number for the electron's behavior in different principal quantum states, particularly n = 1 and n = 2.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how to explain the angular momentum of an electron in the innermost orbit (n = 1) when l = 0, and seeks to understand the possible orientations associated with this state.
  • Another participant challenges the initial framing by suggesting that the Bohr model's depiction of electrons in defined orbits is outdated, emphasizing that modern quantum mechanics describes electron states as orbitals rather than orbits.
  • A third participant reiterates that for l = 0, the orbital is spherically symmetric and that the magnitude of the orbital angular momentum is zero, implying that discussing orientation is not applicable.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the interpretation of angular momentum and orientation in quantum mechanics, with some advocating for a modern understanding that departs from classical models. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of zero angular momentum for l = 0.

Contextual Notes

The discussion reflects a transition from classical to quantum mechanical perspectives, highlighting the limitations of earlier models in explaining electron behavior in terms of angular momentum and orientation.

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Let an electron is orbiting in a orbit with the principal quantum number n =1. According to wave mechanics its angular momentum is √ l(l+1) h/2∏ and angle : cosθ = ml/ √ l(l+1)
How one can explain the electron angular momentum and its possible orientations for l =0?

Off course for n =2, l = 0& 1. For l = 1 we can get the angles θ, however, it is not possible for l=0.
How one can explain the zero angular momentum for the electron in the innermost orbit ie., n = 1? How to explain the possible orientation of the orbit for l =0?
 
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apr, I'm afraid you're thinking in terms of the hundred-year-old Bohr model of the atom, in which electrons travel in well-defined circular orbits with certain orientations. This theory was replaced by Schrödinger's quantum mechanics in 1925. In the modern view, an atomic electron state is described not by an orbit but by an orbital, which is a function that gives the probability of finding the electron at a particular location.

For L = 0, the orbital is spherically symmetric.
 
Bill_K said:
For L = 0, the orbital is spherically symmetric.

... and the magnitude of the orbital angular momentum is zero, so it's meaningless to talk about its orientation.
 
Thanks for the reply .. got the idea.
 

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