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nabki said:ah yes. it seems like arildno has islamaphobia. and a very hot temper.
I have seen indications of neither.
You denigrated him for not providing sources. He provided them.
nabki said:ah yes. it seems like arildno has islamaphobia. and a very hot temper.
Whereas every other immigrant group has virtually the same crime rates as the indigenous population, immigrants from Muslim countries are extremely over-represented:
Here are some statistics on the Muslim prison population in the UK and France:
The renowned British newspaper The Independent ran the following article on a particularly vicious London-based Muslim gang, "The Muslim Boys", and their possible link to terrorism in 2005:
Muslim citizenship is enriching for the whole society.
violence and marginalisation have nothing to do with Islam or Islamic belonging.
And police mistakenly target individuals who, though gang members or associates, are not themselves engaged in criminal action - thus cutting them off as potential sources of help, driving them into gang membership, and confirming the status of gangs.
If you are hanging around on the street then it is the resident's prerogative to decide whether or not you look like enough of a thread to warrant calling the police. It is the police's duty to investigate such a report. Note that the police have the right to stop and question anyone they like, without having to give a firm reason: they could just say that you were acting dodgily. Quite frankly, I don't see the problem here: if you were behaving yourself, then you have nothing to fear.neu said:I've been stopped twice by the police in london for "suspicious behaviour". Both times I was alone waiting for someone on the street, when for some reason a local resident fell obligated to phone the police.
nabki said:nope, he has not given me 1 shred of evidence to back up what he said. he said 72% in oslo, then he backed down and said 65% in 2001, and he made a lot of presumptions.
nabki said:...the muslim minorotiy. I'm trying to find the report that says muslims in britan are golden citizens.
cristo said:But then I could say precisely the opposite: the majority of "hoodies" I see are muslim or black. It all depends on where you live. I'm not so sure I'd go so far as saying that the gang culture in London is predominantly muslim oriented, but it certainly exists, and is not an odd case here and there.
Eeh, you are using TARIQ RAMADAN as a source for how "enriching" Muslims are for the whole society??nabki said:....
but then again: http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2005/jan/21/islamandbritain.comment14
Caroline Fourest (born September 19, 1975 in Aix-en-Provence) is a French feminist writer, journalist, editor of the magazine "Prochoix," and author of Frère Tariq (Brother Tariq), a critical look at the works of the Muslim intellectual Tariq Ramadan.
A graduate in sociology and political science, as a journalist she has written many books on such topics as the conservative right, the pro-life movement (France and USA), and on current fundamentalist trends in Abrahamic religions (Jewish, Christian, and Muslim). She served as President of the Gay and Lesbian Center ("Centre Gai et Lesbien"), beginning in 1999.
In March 2006, she signed MANIFESTO: Together facing the new totalitarianism, a manifesto against Islamist Totalitarianism that gained wide publicity and for which she and the other 11 signatories, including Salman Rushdie, Ibn Warraq, Maryam Namazie, Taslima Nasreen, and Ayaan Hirsi Ali received death threats [1].
She has received several awards for her work, including the National award of "Laïcité" in 2005, and the "Award of the political book" in 2006.
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I certainly didn't "back down":he said 72% in oslo, then he backed down and said 65% in 2001, and he made a lot of presumptions.
Well, if Danes DO constitute 75% of the prison population in UAE, or EVER HAS DONE SO, then come up with the evidence for it!why don't i go and say that 'western' inmates in the UAE make up 75% of the prison population, say they are all danes?
"out of date" means NO LONGER VALID.then give you a statistic that is years out of date?
cristo said:If you are hanging around on the street then it is the resident's prerogative to decide whether or not you look like enough of a thread to warrant calling the police. It is the police's duty to investigate such a report. Note that the police have the right to stop and question anyone they like, without having to give a firm reason: they could just say that you were acting dodgily. Quite frankly, I don't see the problem here: if you were behaving yourself, then you have nothing to fear.
neu said:I don't have a problem with being stopped, that's not my point, and you have told me nothing new. "Hanging around" implies a swagger or an increased pressence, that wasn't the case, I was simply waiting for someone, sitting alone and not moving. I was behaving myself, and I feared nothing, this was not my point.
My point is that the fact that person deemed me a threat, from my point of view, was a vast over reaction. Why they deemed me to be a threat I can't say, but to me it's indicative of a culture of fear. People fear things like knife crime and street violence and often they are justified (I used to live in Seven Sisters and saw violence in public), but far more often they aren't. Now I'm not saying that people should be critised for being over-vigilant, I'm saying that that in itself can be contribute to the problem to an extent that people don't realize.
If everywhere you go you are treated as an undesirable then you can become a self fulfilling prophecy. My comment is that I was labelled as a threat, then the threat labelling process is deluded. This happened twice under the same circumstances in different areas to me, but I really can't convey the absurdity of the event in words.
TheStatutoryApe said:Police are supposed to play things on the safe side. You never know who might be commiting a crime.
hagopbul said:you won't find 9 stabes
3 stabes are for example are the mayan ,and they are no more off them.. so yes there is no cult that use les than 10 because in most cases the stabes executed by more than one person
and if you found it the number of them will be less than 10%
and no one angry will put in some one budy more than 9-12 stabes and some times they use the same knife on the victim for example the leader stabes 10 times then he give the knife to some one to do it again on the same victim then this man give it to other one to do it agin and so on
TheStatutoryApe said:Have the Thugee graduated from garrotes to stilettos?
The current murder rate in London is approximately 1.5 per 100,000 people, which is lower than many other major cities around the world.
The government and local authorities have implemented various measures to address the issue of violence in London, such as increased police presence, community outreach programs, and stricter penalties for violent crimes.
While each murder case is unique, there have been some patterns and trends observed in recent murders in London, such as a higher prevalence of knife crimes and a higher number of victims being young males.
London's murder rate is higher than the national average for the UK, but it is still lower than some other major cities such as Manchester and Birmingham.
To stay safe in London, individuals can be aware of their surroundings, avoid walking alone at night, and report any suspicious activity to the authorities. It is also important to avoid carrying weapons and to resolve conflicts peacefully.