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The discussion revolves around Fourier transforms in the context of NMR signals, specifically focusing on the Free Induction Decay (FID) signal and its corresponding spectrum. Participants are examining the mathematical representations and properties of these signals, particularly how they relate to echo signals.

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  • Participants discuss the derivation of the echo spectrum from the FID signal and question the correctness of their mathematical proofs. There is an exploration of the implications of even and odd functions in relation to the imaginary parts of the spectrum.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights and corrections to each other's assumptions. Some guidance has been offered regarding the integration process and the treatment of imaginary components, but there is no explicit consensus on the methods to be used.

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The "Free Induction Decay signal" (FID) is a particular type of NMR signal observed in both MRI and MRS. An idealized representation of the signal Sf(t) is given by

Sf(t)= Sf(0) exp (-i2pi(f_0)(t))*exp(-t/T2*) t>=0
Sf(t)= 0

it was proven that Gf(f) corresponding to this signal is given by:

Gf(f)= Sf(0) { [(T2*)/ (1+(2pi(f-f_f0)T2*)^2)] + [i2pi(f-f0)(T2*)^2/(1+ (2pi(f-f0)T2*)^2)]}


a.) Show that the spectrum of the echo is given by

Ge(f)= Se(0) { 2T2*/ (1+ (2pi(f-f0)T2*)^2}


b.)using properties of even and odd func. and shift theorem, show that img. part of spect. must equal zero for any signal of form:

S(t)= S(0) exp (i(2pi)(f0)t)Fe(t) , where Fe(t) is an even func. of t, Fe(t) does not need to be exp.

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for part a.) if you ignore the img. part

then Gf(f) is S(0) {{ T2*/ (1+ (2pi(f-f0)T2*)^2) + { T2*/ (1+ (2pi(f-f0)T2*)^2)}

therefore, Ge(f)= Se(0) { 2T2*/ (1+ (2pi(f-f0)T2*)^2}

however, I'm not sure my proof here is correct

for part b.)

i'm not sure how to use the even and odd func. to prove the signal equals zero. especial for img section


Please help!

 
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i forgot to include the echo signal info Se(t) info, which can be rep. by

Se(t)= Se(0) exp (i(2pi(f0)(t))* exp (-|t|/T2*) from negative inf. to inf


therefore, since the |t| is the magn. of t,

therefore i assumed the img. part can be ignored which was helpful in my assumption. in my work shown for my solultion to part a. which i dont' believe is correct...

please help!
 
Are you sure it's not

Se(t)= Se(0) exp (-i(2pi(f0)(t))* exp (-|t|/T2*)?
 
your right!.. i made a mistake it's actually

Se(t)= Se(0) exp (-i(2pi(f0)(t))* exp (-|t|/T2*)?

can you please help me with part a and b please
 
Then just do the integral. You can't just ignore things, you must keep the whole expression. Based on the info in the first post I presume Gf(f) comes from

G_f(f) = \int_{-\infty}^{\infty} S_f(t) e^{i 2 \pi ft} dt = \int_{0}^{\infty} S_f(0) \exp \left(-i2\pi f_0t - t/T_2\right) e^{i 2 \pi ft} dt

Analogously

G_e(f) = \int_{-\infty}^{\infty} S_e(t) e^{i 2 \pi ft} dt = \int_{-\infty}^{\infty} S_e(0) \exp \left(-i2\pi f_0t - |t|/T_2\right) e^{i 2 \pi ft} dt

Divide the integral into two parts - from -infinity to 0 and from 0 to infinity. That way you don't have to worry about |t| (think about the signs). You'll notice that the second integral is the same as in Gf(f) and that the first is similar only with a different sign.
 
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since t>0 and |t|=t and for t< 0 |t|= -t

and since the inverse Fourier transform integral for t>=0 is given .. .u can add the the results for the inverse transform for t<=0 to the result to get Ge(f)


however, how do u integrate the expression for

neg. infinity to zero for integral of Se(0)exp(-i*2pi*f0*t -t/T2)exp (i(2pi)ft) dt

is it simply integral of exp (-t/T2) instead of integral of exp (-|t|/T2) dt from neg. inf. to zero

therefore, it's exp (-t/T2) since the other parts are imaginary

i'm confused please help!
 
Why do you keep thinking that you can ignore the imaginary parts? YOU CAN'T! Just calculate the integral, it's almost identical to the ones we've done previously. When t is between -infinity and 0 it is negative so |t|=-t like you said. Thus

\int_{-\infty}^{0}S_e(0) \exp \left(-i2\pi f_0t - |t|/T_2\right) e^{i 2 \pi ft} dt = \int_{-\infty}^{0}S_e(0) \exp \left(-i2\pi f_0t + t/T_2\right) e^{i 2 \pi ft} dt = \int_{-\infty}^{0}S_e(0) \exp \left[t/T_2 + i2\pi (f - f_0)t \right] dt

Now just calculate this like we did previously.

As to the b part, I'm not familiar with the shift theorem, but I don't think it's necessary. Use the fact that eix = cosx +isinx.
 

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