News Another obstacle to Iran attack is removed

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Admiral William Fallon has resigned as the top U.S. military commander in the Middle East, reportedly due to his opposition to the Bush administration's aggressive stance on Iran. While his resignation is described as voluntary, it raises concerns about Middle Eastern stability, especially given his previous resistance to military action against Iran. Fallon had publicly stated that he would not support military strikes during his tenure, indicating a significant rift with the administration. His departure may signal increased pressure within the government to pursue a more confrontational approach toward Iran. The implications of his resignation suggest a troubling shift in U.S. military policy and strategy in the region.
  • #61
turbo-1 said:
Enemies of Iran make allegations, and then the IAEA demands that Iran PROVE that their enrichment programs are for peaceful purposes. This cannot be done. You cannot prove a negative.

They want Iran to comply with the obligations that it agreed to when it signed the NPT.


turbo-1 said:
Our own NIE claims that Iran stopped their enrichment program in 2003.

Again. That refers to one specific program. A program which to this day Iran claims never existed.
 
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  • #62
turbo-1 said:
According to the IAEA, they are in compliance and have been for years. ...

IAEA Board report 2004 (A.2. Implications)
Iran has failed in a number of instances over an extended period of time to meet its obligations under its [NPT] Safeguards Agreement with respect to the reporting of nuclear material, its processing and its use, as well as the declaration of facilities where such material has been processed and stored
http://www.iaea.org/Publications/Documents/Board/2004/gov2004-83.pdf
 
  • #63
But it did happen. Iran passed a proposal to allow foreign partners in their commercial enrichment program and would have given them effective control of the program. The fact that Iran offered to do this and was actively negotiating with one of our European partners to put the deal together is never mentioned in the US press.

http://www.theparliament.com/latestnews/news-article/newsarticle/iran-asks-france-to-enrich-uranium/

Iran has asked France to “create a consortium to produce enriched uranium” in a bid to break the deadlock over Tehran’s nuclear programme.

The deputy director of Iran’s atomic energy agency Mohammed Saedi told the France Info radio station that a deal was imminent with two French companies, Areva and Eurodif, to enrich uranium in Iran.

The companies would be given “tangible” control of Iran’s nuclear activities, Saedi told the radio station – which would also allow UN nuclear inspectors to restart their investigations.

Tehran has refused to give into US-led calls for an end to its nuclear programme – which Washington believes is about creating weapons, not energy – and still faces the threat of UN sanctions.
 
  • #64
turbo-1 said:
It is necessary to make the distinction, because true conservatives like myself would never act like these radical warmongers, starting wars at will and wasting US blood and treasure to profit their handlers.

You're absolutely right. I've seen nothing in the neo-cons foreign policy that is remotely conservative.
 
  • #65
Ok people, let's try to bring this back up to an adult level please.
 
  • #66
turbo-1 said:
But it did happen.

The deal never happened. It never went through. It's not actively happening.

turbo-1 said:
The fact that Iran offered to do this and was actively negotiating with one of our European partners to put the deal together is never mentioned in the US press.

Uhm, yeah... I heard about the proposal. the fact that your exact headline wasn't used by the NYT aint evidence of a conspiracy.

So, are you going to address the multitude of statements directly from the IAEA showing that they are not happy with Iran's level of compliance?
 
  • #67
What is to become of Iran if it is not fully complying with the IAEA? given that sanctions are already imposed.
 
  • #68
Iran accepts the proposal of former US embassador Thomas Pickering to allow an internationally-owned consortium to run their enrichment program.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-naiman/iran-accepted-pickerings_b_104932.html
Thomas Pickering said:
We propose that Iran's efforts to produce enriched uranium and other related nuclear activities be conducted on a multilateral basis, that is to say jointly managed and operated on Iranian soil by a consortium including Iran and other governments. This proposal provides a realistic, workable solution to the US-Iranian nuclear standoff. Turning Iran's sensitive nuclear activities into a multinational program will reduce the risk of proliferation and create the basis for a broader discussion not only of our disagreements but of our common interests as well.

If you don't know who Tom Pickering is, let me assure you that he is no pinko appeaser. Nor is he visiting assistant lecturer in thumb-sucking at St. Martha's on the Swamp. Pickering was the Reagan Administration's Ambassador to El Salvador during the U.S.-sponsored "air war" in 1984-5. He was Reagan's Ambassador to Israel when Israel was crushing the first Intifada with "force, might, beatings." Now he's co-chair of the International Crisis Group, and Chairman of the American Academy of Diplomacy. You can't, if you have a shred of respect for experience or expertise in international relations, accuse Tom Pickering of being naïve.
 
  • #69
Russia offered the Iranians a nuclear power deal in in early 2006: Russia does the enrichment in Russia and then would later pick up spent fuel from Iranian reactors. Everybody liked the idea, US, Euros, etc. Iran rejected it.
TEHRAN, March 12 -- Iran rejected an offer from Russia to enrich uranium on its behalf Sunday, closing the door on what had been the most promising diplomatic resolution to international concerns over its nuclear program...
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/03/12/AR2006031200275.html

The Iranian offer on Oct 3 2006 to French held Areva came well after the UN Security Council demand to stop all enrichment. The UN action was largely precipitated by the rejection Russia offer. The French backed the UN action, and so of course the Avera offer was immediately rejected by both the French, US and UK. The Areva offer was also for enrichment on Iranian soil. Any proposal to enrich on Iranian soil is meaningless; it would mean a large influx of foreign technology which the Iranians could seize at any time, and then be well ahead of where they are now in the weapons game.
 
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  • #70
turbo-1 said:
Iran accepts the proposal of former US embassador Thomas Pickering to allow an internationally-owned consortium to run their enrichment program.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-naiman/iran-accepted-pickerings_b_104932.html

Ok, this happened 3 days ago. I still don't think it qualifies as a conspiracy. Everyone was waiting for Clinton to burst into tears as she worried about the future of her country since she wouldn't be prez.

How has the IAEA responded to this offer?
 
  • #71
seycyrus said:
Ok, this happened 3 days ago. I still don't think it qualifies as a conspiracy. Everyone was waiting for Clinton to burst into tears as she worried about the future of her country since she wouldn't be prez.

How has the IAEA responded to this offer?
I didn't call it a conspiracy, you did. The US press barely covers anything positive about diplomatic initiatives on the part of the Iranians. You can speculate on the source of the bias - I won't go there. What is clear is that even when the Iranians agree to proposals put forth by conservative US figures, they are ignored and the news is buried, and the drum-beat for war goes on.

We don't need any more wars. There is a lot of money to be made from wars, and the neo-conservatives have been entirely co-opted by the people who contract military support service, military hardware, etc. Please follow the money. That's the motivation for war in every case when the initiator of the war is not threatened by the nation that they attack.

No more wars except in defense of our country.
Pre-emptive wars on such flimsy pretexts are abhorrent and are in violation of international law.
 
  • #72
OK, OK...doing a bit more reading on the huffington article, I just can't resist...

"On Saturday, the Boston Globe ran an interview by Farah Stockman with Mohammad Khazaee, Iran's ambassador to the United Nations."

...

"Iran's May 13 proposal referred to the idea, but gave no details."

...

"...this appears to reference a proposal advanced most recently in the US by former US Ambassador Thomas Pickering, William Luers, and Jim Walsh in the March 20, 2008 issue of the ***New York Review of Books***."

(emphasis mine)

You're wondering why the U.S. is not responding to an interview in the Globe in which the ambassador makes a reference about a *vague idea that lacked details* that was initially brought up on a *website* that *reviews books*

Gee willakers Wally, I wonder why that is?

Maybe the Iranian Govt. could step up to the IAEA and make a concrete proposal, with specifics?
 
  • #73
turbo-1 said:
I didn't call it a conspiracy, you did.

Oh don't be afraid of the conspiracy word. I know Hilary ruined it by throwing the term around so much, but it still it has it's uses.

One use would be if one imaged that the entire US media was selectively filtering the news it covered.

turbo-1 said:
What is clear is that even when the Iranians agree to proposals put forth by conservative US figures, they are ignored and the news is buried, and the drum-beat for war goes on.

Yeah, that was put forth on a website dedicated to book reviews.

I heard the Iranian ambassador responded to a few proposals from a 4-H meeting in Conneticut. Haven't heard about that in the press either.
 
  • #74
Have you read what Obama said about Iran? He will attack Iran if diplomacy fails in the near future, if he's President.

Also, thread closed, this is going nowhere.
 
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