(Answer check) for a work problem

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The discussion centers on calculating the required sucking force for a tank, emphasizing the distinction between treating the vessel as a cone versus a cylinder. Participants highlight that the necessary sucking force increases as the water level decreases, with @helloword365 analyzing the work needed to lift water from a depth of (4m-h) to the surface. The varying force approach is noted for considering the entire column of water in the pipe, leading to different calculations. The conversation aims to clarify the correct methodology for these calculations.

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Homework Statement
A cylinder with radius r = 2 meters and height 4 meters is filled with water up to the top surface of the container. Calculate the minimum amount of energy necessary to remove all the water from the cylinder by pumping it out through the top. (Assume g = 9.8 m/s2 & ρ = 1000 kg/m3)
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work = force * distance
I talked to other ppl about this problem, and we've all gotten pretty wide-ranging answers, so I was wondering if someone could try and do this so I could see whether my answer is right/wrong. (Answer key does exist but its not that great for this problem).

My work (if needed):
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You seem to have treated the vessel as a cone instead of a cylinder.
 
helloword365 said:
My work (if needed):
What is your calculated number?
Note that the needed sucking force increases as the level of the tank gets lower.
 
Lnewqban said:
Note that the needed sucking force increases as the level of the tank gets lower.
That is just a different way of analysing it.
@helloword365 considers the work required to lift a parcel of water from a depth of (4m-h) to the surface. The varying force approach considers the force required to lift the whole column of water in the pipe by dy.
 
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