(Answer check) for a work problem

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The discussion revolves around a work problem involving fluid dynamics, specifically related to calculating the force required to lift water from a tank. Participants are examining the implications of different geometric interpretations of the tank's shape.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants are questioning the original poster's assumption of modeling the vessel as a cone rather than a cylinder. There is also a discussion about the relationship between the water level in the tank and the required force to lift the water.

Discussion Status

The conversation is ongoing, with participants providing insights into different analytical approaches. Some are exploring the implications of varying forces based on the water level, while others are clarifying the assumptions made in the original setup.

Contextual Notes

There is mention of an answer key that is not particularly helpful, and participants are considering the implications of their varying interpretations of the problem setup.

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Homework Statement
A cylinder with radius r = 2 meters and height 4 meters is filled with water up to the top surface of the container. Calculate the minimum amount of energy necessary to remove all the water from the cylinder by pumping it out through the top. (Assume g = 9.8 m/s2 & ρ = 1000 kg/m3)
Relevant Equations
work = force * distance
I talked to other ppl about this problem, and we've all gotten pretty wide-ranging answers, so I was wondering if someone could try and do this so I could see whether my answer is right/wrong. (Answer key does exist but its not that great for this problem).

My work (if needed):
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You seem to have treated the vessel as a cone instead of a cylinder.
 
helloword365 said:
My work (if needed):
What is your calculated number?
Note that the needed sucking force increases as the level of the tank gets lower.
 
Lnewqban said:
Note that the needed sucking force increases as the level of the tank gets lower.
That is just a different way of analysing it.
@helloword365 considers the work required to lift a parcel of water from a depth of (4m-h) to the surface. The varying force approach considers the force required to lift the whole column of water in the pipe by dy.
 
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