Work and kinetic energy comprehension question

• Lina
In summary, the conversation discusses the concept of work and kinetic energy in relation to a specific scenario involving lifting water. The first equation (W = F * s) and the second equation (W = KE2 - KE1) are not always equal as they refer to different parts of the system. The total work input needed is the sum of these two equations. The conversation also mentions the importance of considering the resultant force when using the second equation.
Lina
Homework Statement
A pump is required to lift 790 kg of water (about 210 gallons) per minute from a well 14.1 m deep and eject it with a speed of 17.5 m/s. (a) How much work is done per minute in lifting the water? (b) How much work is done in giving the water the kinetic energy it has when ejected? (c) What must be the power output of the pump?
Relevant Equations
Kinetic Energy, Work, Power
Hello,

I’ll start by saying I have the answers and the steps to the solutions, but there’s a comprehension disconnect somewhere that I’m trying to figure out. There are two parts to my question but the second one may not apply depending on the answer to the first. I wasn’t sure from the forum rules if I could include the actual solutions to the problem I‘m asking about, so I tried to do without, but let me know if it’d be better to add them.

KE: Kinetic Energy
W: Work
F: Force
s: Distance

1) Right now my understanding is that W = F * s and W = KE2 - KE1 are identical for the same scenario, however, (a) and (b) have different answers. I don’t fully understand why. Working theory is that the first two questions are actually looking at different parts in the system, but I would appreciate it if someone could confirm and clarify it a bit more.

2) If it’s that the problem is looking at the system in parts then I understand why the answer to (c) uses the sum of (a) and (b). If this is not the case though then I remain confused.

Thank you for taking a look.

Lnewqban
(a)and (b) are different contributions to the work that needs to be done. There is no reason to believe they would be equal. First you need to lift the water against gravity. Then you need to add enough kinetic energy to give it the required speed. The total work input needed is the work required to do both those things.

Lnewqban
Welcome, Lina!
Thank you.

Lina said:
my understanding is that W = F * s and W = KE2 - KE1 are identical for the same scenario
The 2nd equation (W = KE2 - KE1)is true only when W is the work done by the resultant force on an object.

For example, a force, F, could be used to lift a heavy object extremely slowly so that negligible kinetic energy is gained (you can go as slow as you want to make the kinetic energy gain as close to zero as you want).

But F has done work (W= Fs). F has increased the system’s potential energy. But since F wasn’t the resultant force we can’t say Fs = KE2 – KE1.

(The resultant force in the example is in fact the vector-sum of F and the object’s weight, F – mg.)

In your particular question about the water, it’s easiest to think only about the energy that has to supplied to the water each second – potential energy and kinetic energy. The question is best answered without thinking about the forces on the water.

Lina and Lnewqban
Steve4Physics said:
The 2nd equation (W = KE2 - KE1)is true only when W is the work done by the resultant force on an object.

For example, a force, F, could be used to lift a heavy object extremely slowly so that negligible kinetic energy is gained (you can go as slow as you want to make the kinetic energy gain as close to zero as you want).

But F has done work (W= Fs). F has increased the system’s potential energy. But since F wasn’t the resultant force we can’t say Fs = KE2 – KE1.

(The resultant force in the example is in fact the vector-sum of F and the object’s weight, F – mg.)

In your particular question about the water, it’s easiest to think only about the energy that has to supplied to the water each second – potential energy and kinetic energy. The question is best answered without thinking about the forces on the water.
Thank you! That was a really clear explanation and it helped a bunch.

berkeman and Steve4Physics

1. What is work and kinetic energy?

Work and kinetic energy are two concepts that are closely related in the field of physics. Work is defined as the amount of energy transferred to an object when a force is applied to it and it moves in the direction of the force. Kinetic energy, on the other hand, is the energy an object possesses due to its motion.

2. What is the formula for calculating work?

The formula for calculating work is W = F x d, where W represents work, F represents the force applied, and d represents the distance the object moved in the direction of the force. The unit for work is joules (J).

3. How is kinetic energy calculated?

Kinetic energy is calculated using the formula KE = 1/2 x m x v^2, where KE represents kinetic energy, m represents the mass of the object, and v represents the velocity of the object. The unit for kinetic energy is also joules (J).

4. What is the relationship between work and kinetic energy?

The relationship between work and kinetic energy can be described by the work-energy theorem, which states that the net work done on an object is equal to the change in kinetic energy of the object. In other words, the work done on an object results in a change in its kinetic energy.

5. Can work be negative or zero?

Yes, work can be negative or zero. Negative work occurs when the force applied to an object is in the opposite direction of its motion, resulting in a decrease in kinetic energy. Zero work occurs when there is no displacement, or when the force applied is perpendicular to the direction of motion.

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