Ant on a stretchy rope puzzle

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In the general case, the time that the ant needs to reach the end of the rope is $$ T=\frac cv(e^\frac v\alpha-1) $$, where ## c ## is the initial length of the rope, ## v ## is the rate at which the rope stretches, and ## \alpha ## is the speed of the ant relative to the rope.
Clearly, any positive real values of ## c ##, ## v ##, and ## \alpha ## will always return the positive real value of ## T ##, which means that the ant will always reach the end of the rope no matter what positive real values are assigned to ## c ##, ## v ##, and ## \alpha ##.
 
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Gavran said:
In the general case, the time that the ant needs to reach the end of the rope is $$ T=\frac cv(e^\frac v\alpha-1) $$, where ## c ## is the initial length of the rope, ## v ## is the rate at which the rope stretches, and ## \alpha ## is the speed of the ant relative to the rope.
Clearly, any positive real values of ## c ##, ## v ##, and ## \alpha ## will always return the positive real value of ## T ##, which means that the ant will always reach the end of the rope no matter what positive real values are assigned to ## c ##, ## v ##, and ## \alpha ##.
Google is too dumb to solve this. It returns undefined.

(1000 / 1000) * (e^(1000 / .01) - 1) = undefined
 
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DaveC426913 said:
Google is too dumb to solve this. It returns undefined.

(1000 / 1000) * (e^(1000 / .01) - 1) = undefined
It's obviously well approximated by ##e^{100000}##. Noting that ##e\approx 10^{0.434}## this is ##(10^{0.434})^{100000}\approx 10^{43400}##. That is rather larger than the maximum value of a double precision variable, which is what Google is probably using.
 
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Ibix said:
Assuming I made no mistakes, here's a complete answer.
Let the band have initial length ##L##, with one end at rest and the other moving at constant speed ##V##. Thus at time ##t## the band has length ##L+Vt##, and a point at distance ##x## from the stationary end has speed ##\frac x{L+Vt}V##. The ant's speed relative to the rubber is ##u##, so its speed relative to the stationary end is $$\frac{dx}{dt}=u+\frac{xV}{L+Vt}$$Maxima says that this is satisfied by $$\frac xL=\frac uV\left(1+\frac{Vt}L\right)\ln\left(1+\frac{Vt}L\right)$$meaning that the ant reaches ##x=L+Vt## when$$\begin{eqnarray*}
\frac Vu&=&\ln\left(1+\frac{Vt}L\right)\\
t&=&\frac LV\left(e^{V/u}-1\right)
\end{eqnarray*}$$Plugging in ##L=10^3\,\mathrm{m}##, ##V=10^3\,\mathrm{ms^{-1}}##, and ##u=10^{-2}\,\mathrm{ms^{-1}}## this becomes ##t=e^{10^5}-1\approx 10^{43400}\,\mathrm{s}##.

Bear in mind that the universe is less than ##10^{18}\,\mathrm{s}## old. So there is a solution to the maths (assuming I didn't make any mistakes), but it's not realistic.
Yes, I got the same result. You gave an excellent complete solution.
 

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