Antidifferentiation by Substitution

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the topic of antidifferentiation by substitution, specifically focusing on various integral problems. Participants share their approaches to solving these integrals and seek assistance with specific challenges they face.

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  • Homework-related
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • Participants present several integrals to solve, including \(\int x^2 e^{x^3} dx\), \(\int \sin(2x-3)dx\), \(\int \frac{3dx}{(x+2)\sqrt{x^2+4x+3}}\), and \(\int \frac{x^3}{(x^2 +4)^{\frac{3}{2}}} dx\).
  • Some participants suggest substitution methods for the integrals, proposing specific substitutions such as \(u = x^3\) for the first integral and \(u = 2x - 3\) for the second integral.
  • One participant notes the importance of recognizing the term \(x^2\) in the first integral and how it relates to the substitution.
  • Another participant expresses confusion about how to solve the second integral and indicates that they have completed the first, third, and fourth integrals.
  • Further discussion includes a method involving completing the square for the third integral, transforming it into a more manageable form.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally share their methods and approaches to solving the integrals, but there is no consensus on the solutions, particularly for the second integral, where some express uncertainty and seek clarification.

Contextual Notes

Some participants mention specific steps and substitutions but do not fully resolve the mathematical challenges presented, indicating a reliance on further clarification and exploration of the integrals.

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1.\[ \int x^2 e^{x^3} dx \]
2. \[ \int sin(2x-3)dx \]
3. \[ \int (\cfrac {3dx}{(x+2)\sqrt {x^2+4x+3}} ) \]
4. \[ \int (\cfrac {x^3}{(x^2 +4)^\cfrac {3}{2}} )dx \]
 
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Where are you having a problem? Show us what you've been able to do with these and we can help you much better.

-Dan
 
Once you get more experience, I think you will be able to see the substitution for problems easily!

For 1, let $u= x^3$. Then what is du? Do you see that "$x^2$" in the integral? What happens to that?

For 2, let $u= 2x- 3$. Then what is du?

For 3, let $u= x^2+ 4x+ 3$. Then what is du?
Be careful about the fact that "x+ 2" is in the denominator!

For 4, let $u= x^2+ 4$. What is du? Notice that $x^2dx= x^2(xdx)$ and $x^2= u- 4$.
 
HallsofIvy said:
Once you get more experience, I think you will be able to see the substitution for problems easily!

For 1, let $u= x^3$. Then what is du? Do you see that "$x^2$" in the integral? What happens to that?

For 2, let $u= 2x- 3$. Then what is du?

For 3, let $u= x^2+ 4x+ 3$. Then what is du?
Be careful about the fact that "x+ 2" is in the denominator!

For 4, let $u= x^2+ 4$. What is du? Notice that $x^2dx= x^2(xdx)$ and $x^2= u- 4$.
I'm already done with numbers 1, 3 and 4. I'm stuck with no.2 since I have no idea how to solve it
 
topsquark said:
Where are you having a problem? Show us what you've been able to do with these and we can help you much better.

-Dan
I'm done with items 1, 3 and 4. I'm stuck with item no. 2 since I don't have any idea how to solve this problem.
 
bunnypatotie said:
I'm already done with numbers 1, 3 and 4. I'm stuck with no.2 since I have no idea how to solve it
I meant no. 3 sorry. I'm done with nos. 1, 2 and 4 already. Haven't started with no. 3 yet because I don't have any idea how to really solve this problem
 
$\displaystyle 3\int \dfrac{dx}{(x+2)\sqrt{x^2+4x+4-1}} = 3\int \dfrac{dx}{(x+2)\sqrt{(x+2)^2-1}}$

let $u = x+2 \implies du = dx$ ...

$\displaystyle 3\int \dfrac{1}{u\sqrt{u^2-1}} \, du$

substitution again ...

$v = \sqrt{u^2-1}$

continue ...
 
skeeter said:
$\displaystyle 3\int \dfrac{dx}{(x+2)\sqrt{x^2+4x+4-1}} = 3\int \dfrac{dx}{(x+2)\sqrt{(x+2)^2-1}}$

let $u = x+2 \implies du = dx$ ...

$\displaystyle 3\int \dfrac{1}{u\sqrt{u^2-1}} \, du$

substitution again ...

$v = \sqrt{u^2-1}$

continue ...
Got it, tysm.
 
What skeeter did was "complete the square" $x^2+4x+ 3= x^3+ 4x+ 4- 4+ 3=(x^2+ 4x+ 4)- 1= (x- 2)^2- 1$.

$$latex$$
 
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