Antipodal points and temperature and other angles

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The discussion revolves around the concept of antipodal points on Earth having the same temperature at a given moment, as presented by a high school math teacher. The scope includes mathematical reasoning and potential extensions of the problem to different angles, as well as the implications of the Borsuk-Ulam Theorem in this context.

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Main Points Raised

  • A high school math teacher presents a problem about antipodal points on Earth having the same temperature, suggesting that as they rotate around a great circle, they will encounter all intermediate temperatures.
  • One student proposes extending the idea to points separated by different angles, such as 90 degrees, using a graphical approach.
  • Another participant introduces the Borsuk-Ulam Theorem, stating that it guarantees not only the same temperature but also the same air pressure at antipodal points, provided these variables vary continuously.
  • The theorem's implications for the original problem are discussed, particularly its application to great circles and the difficulty of proving it for higher dimensions.
  • A claim is made about the existence of points where a continuous periodic function equals its value at another point, with a proof provided for this assertion.
  • Corrections are made regarding a typographical error in the mathematical notation used in the proof.

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Participants express varying degrees of agreement on the implications of the Borsuk-Ulam Theorem, but there is no consensus on whether the extension to other angles has been studied or established.

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The discussion includes assumptions about continuity and periodicity of functions, as well as the mathematical framework of the Borsuk-Ulam Theorem, which may not be universally accepted or understood in all contexts.

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Can this popular problem be generalized to all angles?
Hello,

I am a high school math teacher and recently presented my students with an intriguing problem: "At any given moment, there are two antipodal points on Earth (180 degrees apart) that have the same temperature." This can be demonstrated using one great circle with two opposite points. If we assume they begin at differing temperatures and rotate them around the circle at the same rate, they will have encountered all intermediate temperatures by the time they've completed 180 degrees. Since they remain 180 degrees apart and the temperature changes continuously, they will have identical temperatures simultaneously at least once.

One of my students proposed extending this idea to points separated by different angles, such as 90 degrees, using a graphical approach, and it appears to be valid. I'm curious if this is a known extension or if anyone has explored similar generalizations.

Thank you.
 
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Actually, a stronger result than your original can be proved. The Borsuk-Ulam Theorem says that if ##f: S^n\to \Bbb R^n## (where ##S^n## is the ##n##-sphere) is a continuous map, then there exists a point ##x\in S^n## such that ##f(-x)=f(x)##. In the case ##n=2##, an example is that at any given moment, there are two antipodal points on Earth that have not just the same temperature, but at the same time the same air pressure, provided that temperature and air pressure vary continuously on the Earth's surface.

For your original problem, the theorem (for ##n=1##) implies that the conclusion (about temperature only) holds when restricted to any great circle on the Earth. As you noted, this is simple to prove. It is much harder to prove the theorem for ##n=2## and in general.

I don't know if the result (for ##n=1##) for other angles than 180 degrees has been studied. But it is easy to prove that this is true. The simplest is to extend the function to a periodic function (going several laps around the circle):

Claim: Let ##f:\Bbb R\to \Bbb R## be a continuous periodic function, with period ##2\pi## (so that ##f(x+2\pi)=f(x)##, for all ##x\in \Bbb R##).
Then, for every ##a\in \Bbb R##, there is an ##x\in [0,2\pi]## such that ##f(x+a)=f(x)##.

Proof: ##f(x)## attains its maximum at some ##c\in[0,2\pi]##. Because of the periodicity, ##f(c)## is the maximum of ##f(x)## on all of ##\Bbb R##.
Put ##g(x)=f(x+a)-f(a)##. Then ##g(c-a)=f(c)-f(c-a)\ge 0## and ##g(c)=f(c+a)-f(c)\le 0##. Since ##g## is continuous on ##[c-a,c]##, the Intermediate Value Theorem gives an ##x\in [c-a,c]## such that ##g(x)=0##. Hence, ##f(x+a)=f(x)##, so such an ##x## exists, Q. E. D.
 
Typo, I think:
Erland said:
g(x)=f(x+a)−f(a).
meant to say ##g(x)=f(x+a)-f(x)##.
 
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Hill said:
Typo, I think:

meant to say ##g(x)=f(x+a)-f(x)##.
Yes of course. Thank you and sorry for the mistake!
 

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