The gauge fields in Yang Mills theory are

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The discussion revolves around the nature of gauge fields in Yang-Mills theory, particularly focusing on the representation of these fields as matrices and their relation to gauge symmetries. Participants explore the implications of these representations for the strong force and the characteristics of gluons and weak bosons.

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  • One participant asserts that the gauge fields in Yang-Mills theory are matrices and questions whether each vector field should correspond to a U(1) gauge symmetry in addition to the non-abelian gauge symmetry.
  • Another participant clarifies that in four dimensions, each four-vector corresponds to a single spin-one particle, and in SU(N), the number of generators is N^2-1, leading to a specific number of gluons in SU(3).
  • A third participant explains that the group generators are not fields or matrices themselves but are represented by matrices when considering their action on particles in a group representation.
  • It is noted that while each generator leads to a U(1) gauge symmetry, these U(1) symmetries are interconnected due to non-trivial commutation relations, forming part of a larger group.
  • A later reply suggests the theoretical possibility of a U(1) generator in QCD, proposing a U(3) symmetry that could imply an additional color force, but argues that this is not observed in nature and thus must be excluded.

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Participants express differing views on the implications of gauge symmetries and the representation of gauge fields, indicating that multiple competing views remain without a clear consensus.

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Some limitations include the dependence on definitions of gauge symmetries and the unresolved nature of the implications of additional U(1) factors in the context of QCD.

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The gauge fields in Yang Mills theory are matrices:

A_{\mu} = A^{a}_{\mu} T^{a}


But A^{a}_{\mu} are vector fields, i.e. a=1,..,n four-vectors. Should not there be a U(1) gauge symmetry for each of them in addition to the non-abelian gauge symmetry?

In Lagrangian for the strong force, does not each of these four vectors correspond to a gluon? Gluons or weak bosons are spin-1 particles, so they most be described by four vectors. How do they follow from matrices??

And how can a vector field/ a four-vector be non-abelian??

help, please!
 
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In 4-dimensions each 4-vector corresponds to a spin-one particle(not 4 spin one particles).
In SU(N) there are N^2-1 generators so a,b goes from 1 to N^2 -1(not N). In SU(3) that makes 3^2 -1 = 8 gluons A^a_\mu
 


Lapidus, as you say, the gauge fields Aaμ in Yang-Mills theory are a set of four-vectors, a=1,..,n. The Ta are not fields and not matrices, they are the group generators. They will be represented by matrices if you consider their action on particles making up a particular group representation. Aaμ and Ta occur together in the covariant derivative, Dμ = ∂μ + ig AaμTa.

For example for QCD there are 8 gauge fields and 8 generators, a=1,..,8. Quarks belong to a 3-d representation labeled by color, i=1,2,3, and in the term of the Lagrangian where Dμ acts on them, the Ta will be represented by eight 3x3 matrices. Elsewhere in the Lagrangian, Dμ acts on the eight gauge fields themselves, and in that term the Ta will be represented by eight 8x8 matrices.
 


Each generator of the group does lead to a U(1) gauge symmetry, but since the generators have non-trivial commutation relations, these U(1)s are all linked together to form part of a larger group.

Think of the case of rotations in 3-space. There are three basis elements that together generate SO(3). But each generator alone makes rotations in the plane, which is SO(2)~U(1).
 


thank so much you, guys! Got it
 


Theoretically there could very well be an U(1) generator as well.

In the case of QCD there could be a U(3) = U(1) * SU(3) symmetry which would result a 9th generator represented by the 3*3 identity matrix. But this U(1) symmetry would result in a new color-force similar to an el.-mag. like long range force. b/c we do not observe this long range force in nature this extra U(1) factor has to be excluded.
 

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