Any help about ORC (organic Rankine cycle)

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the conversion of a rotary vane compressor into an expander for use in a small-scale Organic Rankine Cycle (ORC) system, specifically for micro combined heat and power applications. Participants explore technical challenges, modifications, and component compatibility related to this conversion.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Experimental/applied

Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about converting a rotary vane compressor into an expander for an ORC system.
  • Another suggests that modifications should focus on maintaining design RPM and checking seal compatibility with the working fluid.
  • A participant reports that the compressor is not rotating and asks for modifications to address this issue.
  • Another participant requests additional details about the system, including working fluid, pressures, temperatures, and pump specifications, to better assist with troubleshooting.
  • A participant identifies that the vanes of the compressor are not properly attached, leading to issues with rotation.
  • There is acknowledgment that the vanes may be seized, which could be a cause of the operational failure.
  • One participant expresses uncertainty about how to proceed with operating the compressor as an expander after identifying the issue.
  • Another suggests repairing the compressor or seeking professional help from a repair shop.
  • A participant mentions attempting to use an air motor in the cycle and seeks information on suitable pumps for R11 as the working fluid.
  • It is noted that various types of pumps could be used, and the importance of specifying pump characteristics such as flow rate and pressure differential is emphasized.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the operational issues of the rotary vane compressor and the necessary modifications. There is no consensus on the best approach to resolve the problems encountered.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention various technical aspects that may affect the conversion process, including the need for specific pump specifications and the compatibility of materials with the working fluid. Some assumptions about the functionality of the expander and the conditions under which it operates remain unresolved.

Who May Find This Useful

Individuals interested in the design and operation of Organic Rankine Cycle systems, particularly those exploring the use of rotary vane compressors and expanders in micro combined heat and power applications.

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anyone can help me about the converting the rotary vane compressor into an expander to use in small scale organic Rankine cycle (micro combined heat and power)
 
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There isn't much you need to do. Just keep it within design rpm and check seal compatibility with your fluid at your working temp.
 
I am doing that , but it is not rotating , any modification?
 
Give us the full picture and we may be able to help. Working fluid, high and low side pressures and temps, pump type and power, lube system etc etc. Assuming the expander is functional the pressure difference across it is not great enough to induce rotation, there are many possible causes..
 
Thank you for attention
at the first time I examine the rotary vane compressor type with compressed air at approximately (5 - 7)bar
but the problem was that vanes don't attached the inside surface of the case ,and therefore the air inlet and outlet easily without any rotating and the shaft don't rotating.
I'm also removed the chic valve
 

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Yes, As you noticed, the vanes are seized.
 
Frankly, after that I do not know what to do to operate this type of compressor as an expander
 
Well, it needs to be fixed. You could try do it yourself or get on the phone and find some one who can do it for you ie a pump & compressor repair shop
 
I now trying to use an air motor is also rotary vane spring loaded
in this cycle I would like to use R11 as working fluid and if anyone has an information about the type of pump that can be applied to pumped this liquid with high pressure and responsible flow rate
 
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Many pumps will do the job. I've read papers that use piston, rotary vane, diaphragm and multi-stage centrifugal types with varying levels of success.
You need to pin down your pump specs (flow rate & pressure differential, materials compatibility etc) before you can select an appropriate unit.
 
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thanks
 

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