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The discussion revolves around the concept of "support" in mathematics, particularly in relation to functions and the definitions provided in a Wikipedia article. Participants explore the implications of the statement that any superset of a support is also a support, questioning its accuracy and consistency within the article's definitions.

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  • One participant questions whether the Wikipedia article is mistaken or if they have misunderstood the definition of support, suggesting that the statement may imply a broader context than initially interpreted.
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  • A participant points out that the article's definition may be inconsistent, highlighting that the formulation suggests a superset of a support is again a support, which contradicts the introduction's definition.
  • Further clarification is provided regarding the definition of support, noting that a support of a function need not be unique and that context is crucial for understanding its application.
  • One participant acknowledges the inconsistency in terminology but suggests that this is common in mathematics and emphasizes the importance of context in determining the meaning of support.

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"any superset of a support is also a support"

Wikipedia:

In mathematics, the support of a function is the set of points where the function is not zero, or the closure of that set. [...] any superset of a support is also a support

Let f:R-->R: f(x) = 1 if x is in (-1,1), otherwise let f(x) = 0. Then support1 of f, "the set of points where the function is not zero" is (-1,1), and support2 of f, "the closure of that set", is [-1,1]. In either case, there is a proper superset of the support, i.e. a superset of the support which is not equal to either kind of support, for example (-2,2).

Is the article mistaken, or have I misunderstood it? Does it perhaps mean "any superset of a support of one function is also a support of a function, not necessarily the same function", that is, "for every superset, S, of a support of one function, f, there is a function g such that S is a support of g"?
 
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Which Wikipedia article contains that statement? Is there any criticism of it on the discussion page for the article?
 


In the article, you quote from the general description at the top, and then skip to what's written in the definition below. If you read the whole "Formulation" paragraph, specifically the first line, it says a function is supported on Y if it is zero on Y's complement, and Y is called A support. THE support of a function is often used to refer to the smallest possible support of the function
 


Sorry, I meant to link to it:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Support_(mathematics)

Yes, there is an objection to that statement, in a section called "Definition?"

The article is still inconsistent in the definition: In "Formulation", it is said that a superset of a support is again a support, contradicting the Introduction's definition.--Roentgenium111 (talk) 22:48, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

There hasn't been any response to it. But looking at this again, I think I see that apparently an earlier version of the article began:

In mathematics, the support of a function is, in general, the set of points where the function is not zero. More specifically, a support of a function f from a set X to the real numbers R is a subset Y of X such that f(x) is zero for all x in X that are not in Y.

And thanks to Office_Shredder's hint, I see that the Formulation section of the article, does actually begin with a version of this definition, support3: "A function supported in Y must vanish in X \ Y", according to which a support needn't be unique. And the section ends with mention of further possible, context dependent meanings. The following section, Closed supports, suggests why support3 may not have been mentioned in the intro; it says support2 is the definition used in "the most common situation" (when X is a topological space [...] and f : X→R is a continuous function."

I should have read further.
 


The terminology is not 100% consistent, but that's pretty much true in how it's used in the rest of math. It's usually easiest to just use context to decide which form of support somebody is using
 

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