Applying the Law of Conservation of Momentum :S

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The discussion revolves around the law of conservation of momentum, particularly in the context of vehicle collisions involving different masses and velocities. Participants explore how momentum behaves during such collisions and question the implications of mass on momentum.

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  • Participants discuss the conservation of momentum in collisions, questioning whether momentum is conserved when vehicles collide. They explore scenarios involving different masses and velocities, and raise questions about the relationship between mass and momentum.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing insights into the nature of momentum in both particle and macroscopic levels. Some participants suggest that while momentum is conserved, the appearance of conservation may differ based on the rigidity of the objects involved. There is an ongoing exploration of examples and counterexamples regarding momentum calculations.

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Participants note the complexities introduced by the non-rigid nature of vehicles during collisions, which may affect the perception of momentum conservation. There is also a mention of the distinction between elastic and inelastic collisions as relevant to the discussion.

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The law of conservation states that if two objects have a net force of zero, and if they were to collide with one another, the change in momentum of one object is equal in magnitude, but opposite in direction, to the change of momentum of the other object.

Knowing this, what would happen if two vehicles, traveling at the same velocities (yet with different masses) collide with each other? Would the momentum be conserved? What would happen during this collision?

Also, is it true that when an object with a heavier mass has a larger momentum than an object with a smaller mass?

Thank you! (I am terribly poor at answering physics intuition questions :S)
 
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rice1am said:
The law of conservation states that if two objects have a net force of zero, and if they were to collide with one another, the change in momentum of one object is equal in magnitude, but opposite in direction, to the change of momentum of the other object.

Knowing this, what would happen if two vehicles, traveling at the same velocities (yet with different masses) collide with each other? Would the momentum be conserved? What would happen during this collision?

What you will study in physics is the momentum of rigid bodies. Unfortunately vehicles are not necessarily rigid bodies, they are made specifically to compress upon impact, in order to reduce the acceleration of the occupants in the vehicle(so that they have a better chance to survive). Momentum is conserved on the particle level, but this does not appear to be so on the macroscopic(vehicular level). Usually the two vehicles will hit, compress, and then come to rest, rather than be repelled or move together with a velocity

Also, is it true that when an object with a heavier mass has a larger momentum than an object with a smaller mass?

Momentum is the product of Mass AND Velocity: p=mv

Therefore, it may be true that a larger mass corresponds to a larger momentum than a smaller mass, but it may also be true that both masses have equal momentum, or the smaller mass has more momentum than the larger.
 
SmashtheVan said:
Momentum is the product of Mass AND Velocity: p=mv

Therefore, it may be true that a larger mass corresponds to a larger momentum than a smaller mass, but it may also be true that both masses have equal momentum, or the smaller mass has more momentum than the larger.

hmmm, so, say, if both objects traveled at the same velocities, yet with different masses, before colliding, they would have the same momentums? My physics textbook gave an example of equal momentum between two objects: A high-speed car would have the same momentum as a slow moving truck.

And also, what if both vehicles traveled at different velocities before a collision; would both vehicles move back?

Thank you so much for replying :)
 
SmashtheVan said:
Momentum is conserved on the particle level, but this does not appear to be so on the macroscopic(vehicular level).
Momentum will be conserved at both levels.
 
Doc Al said:
Momentum will be conserved at both levels.

What i meant was if you look at the vehicles as if they were rigid bodies, they wouldn't APPEAR to conserve momentum like if we look at billiard balls which do appear to conserve like rigid bodies
 
rice1am said:
hmmm, so, say, if both objects traveled at the same velocities, yet with different masses, before colliding, they would have the same momentums?

not quite. ill give you an example.
you have two balls traveling towards each other. Ball 1 has a mass 10kg, and Ball 2mass 5kg

They both move with velocity 2m/s

the momentum of ball 1 is equal to (10)(2)= 20
the momentum of ball 2 is equal to (5)(2)= 10

so you have two different masses, moving with equal velocity, but having 2 different momentums.

for objects with the same mass to have the same momentum, they must have the same velocity.

the same goes with objects moving at the same velocity. to have equal momentum, they must have equal mass.

clearer?
 
SmashtheVan said:
What i meant was if you look at the vehicles as if they were rigid bodies, they wouldn't APPEAR to conserve momentum like if we look at billiard balls which do appear to conserve like rigid bodies
Why wouldn't they? No need to think of them as rigid bodies; even if they crumple the total momentum is conserved. (Perhaps you're thinking of conservation of energy?)
 
Doc Al said:
Why wouldn't they? No need to think of them as rigid bodies; even if they crumple the total momentum is conserved. (Perhaps you're thinking of conservation of energy?)

maybe my wording is just not great, because I was trying to convey what you said here.
 
SmashtheVan said:
maybe my wording is just not great, because I was trying to convey what you said here.

In a nutshell that would be the idea between elastic collisions versus inelastic collisions.
 

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