Conservation of Linear Momentum and Covariance

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves the conservation of linear momentum in the context of an inelastic collision between two masses moving in different reference frames. The original poster presents a scenario where two masses, m1' and m2', have initial velocities v1' and v2' in frame S', and after colliding, they stick together and move with a common velocity v' in the same frame. The goal is to demonstrate that momentum conservation holds in both frames, S' and S.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the application of Galilean transformations to relate velocities between frames. There are questions about how to derive velocity transformations from the coordinate transformations and how to apply conservation of momentum in this context. Some express confusion about using these transformations beyond spatial coordinates.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring the derivation of velocity transformations and questioning the implications of these transformations on momentum conservation. Some guidance has been offered regarding the differentiation of the coordinate transformation, but there is no consensus on the correct approach yet.

Contextual Notes

Participants note a lack of clarity on how to apply the transformations to velocities and the conservation equations, with some expressing difficulty in finding relevant examples or resources.

Cave Johnson

Homework Statement


Assume two masses m1' and m2' are moving in the positive x-direction with velocities v1' and v2' as measured by an observer in S' before a collision. After the collision, the two masses stick together and move with velocity v' in S'. Show that if an observer in S' finds momentum conserved, so does an observer in S.

Homework Equations


Galilean Transformation:
x' = x - vt
y' = y
z' = z
t' = t

Conservation of momentum in inelastic collisions:
m1v1 + m2v2 = (m1 + m2)vf

Linear momentum:
p = mv

The Attempt at a Solution


I know that this will involve the use of this part of the GT:
x' = x - vt

I am confused on how to incorporate the conservation of momentum equation(s) into this, however.

Any help would be appreciated.
 
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How would you transform the velocities?
 
Doc Al said:
How would you transform the velocities?

I am not sure. I don't quite understand how to use these transformations for anything other than coordinates (like measuring lengths). I try to find examples in my textbook or online but they are all very confusing or blocked by a pay wall...
 
Cave Johnson said:
I don't quite understand how to use these transformations for anything other than coordinates (like measuring lengths).
Given the coordinate transformations, you can derive the velocity transformations by taking the derivative with respect to time. (It's easy!)
 
Doc Al said:
Given the coordinate transformations, you can derive the velocity transformations by taking the derivative with respect to time. (It's easy!)

Wouldn't that just leave us with -v ?
 
Cave Johnson said:
Wouldn't that just leave us with -v ?
Nope. Write the x-coordinate transform and take the derivative of each term.
 
Doc Al said:
Nope. Write the x-coordinate transform and take the derivative of each term.

Taking the derivative of x - vt with respect to time gives -v...
d/dt x = 0
d/dt -vt = -v
 
Cave Johnson said:
Taking the derivative of x - vt with respect to time gives -v...
d/dt x = 0
d/dt -vt = -v
Careful! The derivative of x with respect to t is not zero. It's dx/dt, which is a velocity measured in the S frame. Try it once more.
 

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