Approximate LCDM Expansion in Simplified Math - Comments

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The discussion revolves around the approximate expansion of the universe within the context of the Lambda Cold Dark Matter (LCDM) model, focusing on mathematical expressions and interpretations of the expansion rate, Hubble constant, and observable universe radius. Participants explore various mathematical relationships and implications of these concepts, with a mix of technical reasoning and conceptual clarification.

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  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants discuss the expansion rate of the universe, noting it as 0.07% per billion years and questioning its implications for the observable universe radius.
  • There is confusion regarding the relationship between the Hubble constant (H) and the concept of "zeit," with participants seeking clarification on mathematical expressions involving these terms.
  • One participant proposes a calculation involving a galaxy 5 billion light years away, suggesting how distances change over time due to expansion, but acknowledges that the relationship is complex and not straightforward.
  • Another participant asserts that the Hubble radius is not directly related to the observable universe radius, emphasizing the need for further clarification in future parts of the discussion.
  • There are claims about the future behavior of the expansion rate, with some participants suggesting it will decrease over time, while others challenge the accuracy of the values being discussed.
  • Some participants express a desire for further explanations and clarification on the mathematical aspects of the expansion and its implications.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants exhibit a mix of agreement and disagreement, with some accepting certain values and relationships while others challenge them. The discussion remains unresolved on several points, particularly regarding the accuracy of the mathematical expressions and the implications of the expansion rate.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion, including unclear assumptions about the definitions of terms like "zeit" and the mathematical relationships between H and the expansion rate. The discussion also indicates that further exploration of H against time is needed in subsequent parts.

Who May Find This Useful

Individuals interested in cosmology, mathematical modeling of the universe's expansion, and those seeking to understand the LCDM model may find this discussion beneficial.

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Approximate LCDM Expansion in Simplified Math

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Great work thank you
 
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Expansion rate is H.The observable universe radius is R.Now the expansion rate is 0.07% per billion years.And it goes 0.06% per billion year.It means R is now R+ 7R/100 is universe radius for now one billion years later it will be R+7R/100+(6(R+7R/100)/100).

Zeit is 1/17,3.Now time is 0,8 zeit(13.7 Gyr) and Hubble constant 1,2 zeit-1 which 1,2/17.3 which its 0.07.

I didnt understand mathematical expression between H and zeit.1/H is Hubble time.I know but I camt make the connection.

And how we found 0.07% ? and what's the lamda is zeit units ?


If all this true you said H is equal ##H=√(0.44/a^3+1)## a is now 1(which you said).H=√(0.44/2)=0.46 what's that.

I said Expension rate is 0.07.Is that true ?

I asked so many question.If you help I will be happy
Thanks for help
 
RyanH42 said:
Great work thank you
Pleasure, but as a first post in Insights, I'm still struggling with formatting the figures and graphs. When I edited the entry, things got worse, so please be patient while I'm trying to sort it.
 
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Ok,I can wait
 
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Expansion rate is H. The observable universe radius is R. Now the expansion rate is 0.07% per billion years. And it goes 0.06% per billion year.
The radius of the observable universe is not directly related to the Hubble constant H. What is directly related is the Hubble radius, because it is c/H, but you will have to wait for Part 2 for more on that.

Even the Hubble radius is not increasing at 0.07% per million years today - it is the distance to some distant galaxy that is increasing at this rate. Contemplate that and I will get back to you once I have the formatting issues cleared out.
 
Let me clear things up then.Lets suppose there's a galaxy 5 billion light years away.Now the universe expands 1/144% per billion year so the length will be 5+5.1/14.4 billion light years away.The billion later this distance will be 5+5.1/14.4+(5+5.1/14.4)/17.3 billion light years.
 
H=1/173 % per billion year in the future isn't it ? So now H is 1/144 % per billion year.
 
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0.2 zeit the expansion rate was 4 zeit-1 which it means 4/17.3 billion years (0.23) means when the universe is 3.46 billion years old the distance will grow 0.23 times ?

If these things are true the I don't have another question

Note for Mentors:After clarification of my questions you can delete my comments
 
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RyanH42 said:
Let me clear things up then.Lets suppose there's a galaxy 5 billion light years away.Now the universe expands 1/144% per billion year so the length will be 5+5.1/14.4 billion light years away.The billion later this distance will be 5+5.1/14.4+(5+5.1/14.4)/17.3 billion light years.
It's 1/144% per million years, not per billion years. In a million years your 5 Gly distance will increase to 5+5/(144*100)= 5.00347 Gly. In the following million years it will increase to 5.00347+5.00347/(144*100)= 5.000694 Gly, assuming that H will change negligibly over the next million years.

It does not accurately hold for a billion years, because H will be changing noticeably in a billion years, going down to a constant 1/173% per Gy in the very far future. But since the distances are increasing faster than what H is declining, the expansion is accelerating.
 
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RyanH42 said:
0.2 zeit the expansion rate was 4 zeit-1 which it means 4/17.3 billion years (0.23) means when the universe is 3.46 billion years old the distance will grow 0.23 times ?
I do not know where you got these values from, but they are wrong. At T=0.2 zeit, H ~ 3.4 zeit-1, but it is hard read from the first graph (it was just to illustrate the zeit scale). We have not yet dealt properly with H against time, which will follow in Part 2. Part 1 is primarily about H against scale factor a.
 
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Thank you.I am waiting Part two now.
Again great work.I am amateur in Cosmology so its takes time understand the idea.
 

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