Approximating Functions with 3rd Order Taylor Polynomials

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The discussion revolves around finding the 3rd order Taylor polynomials for the functions $\sec{x}$ at $a=0$ and $x^{1/3}$ at $a=8$. Participants explore the calculations involved in deriving these polynomials and clarify the terminology related to Taylor series.

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  • One participant presents calculations for the 3rd Taylor polynomial of $\sec{x}$ and $x^{1/3}$, noting the values of the derivatives at the specified points.
  • Another participant expresses uncertainty about the meaning of "3rd Taylor polynomial," suggesting that it typically refers to the polynomial including terms up to degree $n$ and that it should be called the "3rd degree Taylor polynomial."
  • A later reply clarifies that the 3rd Taylor polynomial should include the terms $f^0 + f^1 + f^2 + f^3$.
  • Further calculations are provided for both functions, with a focus on ensuring that the derivatives are evaluated correctly at the specified points.

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Participants generally agree on the calculations for the Taylor polynomials, but there is a lack of consensus on the terminology used to describe the polynomial order, leading to some confusion about the definition of the 3rd Taylor polynomial.

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Some participants note that the calculations for the derivatives and their evaluations at specific points are crucial for determining the correct polynomial form. There is also mention of the importance of clarifying the terminology to avoid misunderstandings.

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$\tiny{242.13.1}$
$\textsf{a. Find the $3^{rd}$ Taylor polynomial for $\sec{x}$ at $a=0$}\\$
\begin{align}
\displaystyle
f^0(x)&=f(x)=\sec{x}\therefore f^0(0)=1\\
&=\frac{1}{0!} x^0=1 \\
f^1(x)&=(\sec{x})'=\tan{x}\sec{x} \therefore f^1(x)=0 \\
&=\frac{1}{0!} x^0+\frac{0}{1!} x^1=1+0=1 \\
f^2(x)&=(\tan{x}\sec{x})'=\left(2\tan^2(x)+1)\sec(x)\right) \therefore f^2(x)=1 \\
&=\frac{1}{0!} x^0
+\frac{0}{1!} x^1
+\frac{1}{2!} x^2=1+0+\frac{1}{2}x^2 \\
&=1+\frac{1}{2}x^2
\end{align}
$\textsf{b. Find the $3^{rd}$
Taylor polynomial for $x^{1/3}$ at $a=8$}\\$
\begin{align}
\displaystyle
f^0(x)&=f(x)= x^{1/3}\therefore f^0(8)=2\\
f^1(x)&=(x^{1/3})'=\frac{1}{3x^{2/3}}
\therefore f^1(8)=\frac{1}{12} \\
f^2(x)&=\left(\frac{1}{3x^{2/3}}\right)''
=\frac{-2}{9x^{5/3}}
\therefore f^2(8)=\frac{-1}{144} \\
f^3(x)&=\left(\frac{-2}{9x^{5/3}}\right)''
=\frac{10}{27x^{8/3}}
\therefore f^3(8)=\frac{5}{3456} \\

f(x)&\approx\frac{2}{0!}(x-8)^{0}
+\frac{\frac{1}{12}}{1!}\left(x-\left(8\right)\right)^{1}
+\frac{- \frac{1}{144}}{2!}\left(x-\left(8\right)\right)^{2}
+\frac{\frac{5}{3456}}{3!}\left(x-\left(8\right)\right)^{3}\\
\sqrt[3]{x}&\approx 2+\frac{1}{12}\left(x-8\right)- \frac{1}{288}\left(x-8\right)^{2}+\frac{5}{20736}\left(x-8\right)^{3}
\end{align}
wasn't sure what was meant by the $3^{rd}$ ?
took time to do this so think is some error
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karush said:
wasn't sure what was meant by the $3^{rd}$ ?
took time to do this so think is some error
Usually when someone writes "$n$th Taylor polynomial" they mean the polynomial going up to and including the term of degree $n$. In general, this polynomial will have $n+1$ terms. So careful authors usually prefer to call it the "$n$th degree Taylor polynomial".

Your calculations both look correct to me, though in a. you should probably have calculated $f^3(x)$ in order to check that $f^3(0) = 0.$
 
$\textsf{ok so $\displaystyle 3^{rd}$ would mean
$\displaystyle f^0 + f^1+f^2+f^3$ to be input.}$
 
$\tiny{242.13.1}$
$\textsf{a. Find the $3^{rd}$ Taylor polynomial for $\sec{x}$ at $a=0$}\\$
\begin{align}
\displaystyle
f^0(x)&=\sec{x}\therefore f^0(0)=1\\
f^1(x)&=(\sec{x})'=\tan{x}\sec{x} \therefore f^1(0)=0 \\
f^2(x)&=(\tan{x}\sec{x})'=\left(2\tan^2(x)+1)\sec(x)\right) \therefore f^2(0)=1 \\
f^3(x)&=\sec\left(x\right)\tan^3\left(x\right)
+5\sec^3\left(x\right)\tan\left(x\right)=f^3(0)=0 \\
&=\frac{1}{0!} x^0
+\frac{0}{1!} x^1
+\frac{1}{2!} x^2
+\frac{0}{3!} x^3 \\
&=1+0+\frac{1}{2}x^2 +0 \\
sec(x)&=1+\frac{1}{2}x^2
\end{align}
$\textsf{b. Find the $3^{rd}$
Taylor polynomial for $x^{1/3}$ at $a=8$}\\$
\begin{align}
\displaystyle
f^0(x)&=f(x)= x^{1/3}\therefore f^0(8)=2\\
f^1(x)&=(x^{1/3})'=\frac{1}{3x^{2/3}}
\therefore f^1(8)=\frac{1}{12} \\
f^2(x)&=\left(\frac{1}{3x^{2/3}}\right)''
=\frac{-2}{9x^{5/3}}
\therefore f^2(8)=\frac{-1}{144} \\
f^3(x)&=\left(\frac{-2}{9x^{5/3}}\right)''
=\frac{10}{27x^{8/3}}
\therefore f^3(8)=\frac{5}{3456} \\

f(x)&\approx\frac{2}{0!}(x-8)^{0}
+\frac{\frac{1}{12}}{1!}\left(x-\left(8\right)\right)^{1}
+\frac{- \frac{1}{144}}{2!}\left(x-\left(8\right)\right)^{2}
+\frac{\frac{5}{3456}}{3!}\left(x-\left(8\right)\right)^{3}\\
\sqrt[3]{x}&\approx 2+\frac{1}{12}\left(x-8\right)- \frac{1}{288}\left(x-8\right)^{2}+\frac{5}{20736}\left(x-8\right)^{3}
\end{align}
 
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