Approximation and Logarithm Problem

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around using tangent lines for approximating values of a function defined as a ratio of quadratics, as well as solving a logarithmic equation. Participants explore how to estimate function values using tangent lines, calculate errors of approximation, and clarify the application of logarithmic rules.

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  • Exploratory
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant asks how to use a tangent line at a specific point to estimate function values and find the error of approximation.
  • Another participant explains that the tangent line can be used to approximate the function near the point of tangency by evaluating the tangent line at specific points.
  • A different participant provides an example of a function and its tangent line, suggesting that the error can be calculated as the absolute difference between the function value and the tangent line value.
  • There is a discussion about whether to plug values into the tangent line for estimation and how to find the differences for error calculation.
  • One participant mentions using the quotient rule to find the derivative of a rational function, which is relevant to the tangent line discussion.
  • Another participant expresses confusion about calculating the error of approximation and shares specific values they obtained from the tangent line and the original function.
  • There is a reiteration that error is typically defined as the magnitude of the difference between the approximation and the actual value.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the method of using tangent lines for approximation and the concept of calculating error, but there is some uncertainty regarding the specific calculations and interpretations of the results.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express confusion about the error calculation, and there are varying interpretations of how to apply the tangent line and logarithmic rules in their specific problems.

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I just need some help with some basic questions I can't remember from a long time ago, just started up school again...

1) Given a function f(x) = (quadratic on top)/(quadratic on bottom)
When at x=1, I am given a tangent line to the function f(x), and also given the equation of the tangent line. How can I use the tangent line to estimate f(any number). Also how to find error of approximation within each of these 3 points?

2) Solve for x: ln(7−2x)−4lnx=ln8 ( I changed values so I have to do work by myself after I understand this)
 
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1) The equation of the tangent line is going to look like any line: $y=mx+b$. You can use the tangent line to approximate the function near the point of tangency, by simply evaluating the tangent line there.

2. Use some of the rules of logarithms to get a single logarithm on both sides. What do you get?
 
Using tangent line to estimate, error of approx.?

I'm not going to post the question because I think that's defeating the purpose of me doing it on my own...

Say you have f(x) = (quadratic) / (quadratic), so (x^2 + x + 1) / ( x^2 + x + 1)...

I am given the tangent line at the point x = 1, how do I use this tangent line to estimate say f(0.5), f(0.6), f(0.65)? Also how can I find error of approximation at each of the 3 points? What is error of approximation?
 
The example you give is a constant function, since the numerator and denominator are the same. Let us consider the function:

$$f(x)=\frac{2x^2-3x+1}{x^2+x+1}$$

The tangent line at $x=1$ is then:

$$y=\frac{x-1}{3}$$

A plot of the function and the tangent line is given here:

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As mentioned by Ackbach:

You can use the tangent line to approximate the function near the point of tangency, by simply evaluating the tangent line there.

The error $E(x)$ then is simply the magnitude of the difference between the approximation (the value of the tangent line for a particular $x$) and the actual value of the function, hence:

$$E(x)=\left|f(x)-y(x) \right|$$
 

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So am I supposed to plug the f(whatever) into the tangent line, which will give me the estimation of the number, then I just find the differences between all 3 intervals?
 
To address the question (which has now been replaced) of how to find the derivative of a rational function consisting of a quadratic divided by a quadratic

One could use the quotient rule as follows:

Given:

$$f(x)=\frac{ax^2+bx+c}{dx^2+ex+f}$$

then:

$$f'(x)=\frac{\left(dx^2+ex+f \right)(2ax+b)-\left(ax^2+bx+c \right)(2dx+e)}{\left(dx^2+ex+f \right)^2}=\frac{(ae-bd)x^2+2(af-cd)x+(bf-ce)}{\left(dx^2+ex+f \right)^2}$$

For the replacement questions:

For $x$ near 1, we may use:

$$f(x)\approx y(x)$$

And the error is the magnitude of the difference between the approximation and the true value.
 
Sorry, I edited that last question to a new one... Forgot I was given the tangent line hahah!
 
Ok, I got it all except for the error of approximation...

I have f(x) = 0.25, f(x) = 0.85, f(x) = 0.925. This is all in my actual questions.

So if I plug in my given decimal numbers into the tangent line, I get those ^^^^^

If I plug in my same decimal numbers that I plugged into the tangent line into the very first eqn, I got -4 for the first one, etc etc. So this just means the E(x) = 4.25?
 
phrox said:
Ok, I got it all except for the error of approximation...

I have f(x) = 0.25, f(x) = 0.85, f(x) = 0.925. This is all in my actual questions.

So if I plug in my given decimal numbers into the tangent line, I get those ^^^^^

If I plug in my same decimal numbers that I plugged into the tangent line into the very first eqn, I got -4 for the first one, etc etc. So this just means the E(x) = 4.25?

Typically, at least from what I have seen, an error is defined as the magnitude of the difference. This means you want to use the absolute value of the difference.
 

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