Is there a name for this approximation?

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The discussion revolves around an approximation related to the logarithmic integral and its behavior as a parameter approaches a specific value. Participants explore the mathematical properties of integrals involving logarithms and power functions, and whether this approximation has a specific name.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that as the parameter \( a \) approaches 1, the expression \( \frac{1}{a-1}\left(1-\frac{1}{x^{a-1}}\right) \) approximates \( \log x \), suggesting a potential relationship between these mathematical forms.
  • Another participant expresses doubt that this approximation has a specific name, referencing a Wikipedia page that discusses the power series expansion of \( \log(1+x) \) as a related concept.
  • A participant questions the choice of the power series for \( 1+x \) over the series for \( \log(x/y) \), indicating a preference for different mathematical representations.
  • Concerns are raised about the numerical stability of the approximation, highlighting issues with evaluating terms that involve significant cancellation, which can lead to inaccuracies.
  • Another participant mentions the Riemann approximation of the integral and its relation to the Euler-Mascheroni constant, suggesting a connection to the broader context of logarithmic approximations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on whether the approximation has a specific name, and there are differing opinions on the numerical properties and stability of the formula. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to represent the logarithmic relationship.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty regarding the numerical evaluation of the approximation, particularly in terms of precision and the behavior of terms involved in the calculation. There is also a lack of clarity on the assumptions underlying the choice of series expansions.

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Because it holds that

##\displaystyle\int_{1}^{x}\frac{dt}{t} = \log x##, and

##\displaystyle\int_{1}^{x}\frac{dt}{t^a} = \frac{1}{a-1}\left(1-\frac{1}{x^{a-1}}\right)\hspace{20pt}##when ##a>1##

it could be expected that

##\displaystyle\frac{1}{a-1}\left(1-\frac{1}{x^{a-1}}\right) \rightarrow \log x## when ##a\rightarrow 1##.

Trying this with Wolfram Alpha for ##a = 1 + 10^{-8}## or similar, it seems that the graphs of the natural logarithm and the other result overlap quite well.

I just realized this a while ago, and have never seen this approximation before... Is there any name for it?
 
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hilbert2 said:
Because it holds that

##\displaystyle\int_{1}^{x}\frac{dt}{t} = \log x##, and

##\displaystyle\int_{1}^{x}\frac{dt}{t^a} = \frac{1}{a-1}\left(1-\frac{1}{x^{a-1}}\right)\hspace{20pt}##when ##a>1##

it could be expected that

##\displaystyle\frac{1}{a-1}\left(1-\frac{1}{x^{a-1}}\right) \rightarrow \log x## when ##a\rightarrow 1##.

Trying this with Wolfram Alpha for ##a = 1 + 10^{-8}## or similar, it seems that the graphs of the natural logarithm and the other result overlap quite well.

I just realized this a while ago, and have never seen this approximation before... Is there any name for it?
I doubt it has a name. The (German) Wikipedia page (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logarithmus#Als_Potenzreihe) has it (with some minor adjustments) as a direct consequence of the power series expansion of ##\log (1+x)##.
 
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fresh_42 said:
I doubt it has a name. The (German) Wikipedia page (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logarithmus#Als_Potenzreihe) has it (with some minor adjustments) as a direct consequence of the power series expansion of ##\log (1+x)##.
I never understood why they do the 1+x power series instead of the log(x/y) power series.
 
Thanks. I was quite surprised that there is a short approximative formula with only algebraic numbers in it.
 
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It is not a nice formula, numerically. You get a huge term multiplied by a small term, where the small term is the nearly perfect cancellation of two numbers, and you have to evaluate xa-1 with a high precision to get a reasonable approximation.
 
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mfb said:
It is not a nice formula, numerically. You get a huge term multiplied by a small term, where the small term is the nearly perfect cancellation of two numbers, and you have to evaluate xa-1 with a high precision to get a reasonable approximation.

Yes, I noticed that too.

Taking the inverse function it's quite obvious that ##\displaystyle e^x = \lim_{n\to\infty}\left(\frac{n}{n-x}\right)^n##, and the approximation with large but finite ##n## blows up to infinity when ##x\to n##.
 
Another fact: \int_{1}^{x}\frac{1}{t}dt=\ln(x). Doing a Riemann approximation of the integral: \sum_{n=2}^{N}\frac{1}{n}<\int_{1}^{N}\frac{1}{t}dt<\sum_{n=1}^{N-1}\frac{1}{n}. It can be shown that \sum_{n=1}^{N}\frac{1}{n}\approx \ln(N)+\gamma for large N, where γ is the Euler-Mascheroni constant (0.5772156649...).
 
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