Are Atoms Real? Investigating the Existence of Subatomic Particles

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The discussion centers on the existence of atoms and subatomic particles, questioning the validity of treating them as point particles. Participants argue that while atoms have a definite size and structure, subatomic particles like electrons and quarks are often modeled as point particles due to their lack of observable substructure. The conversation highlights the distinction between empirical evidence for atoms and theoretical constructs in particle physics, emphasizing that current models may not fully capture the complexities of these particles. Some contributors express skepticism about the completeness of existing theories, suggesting that future experiments, such as those conducted at the LHC, may yield new insights. Ultimately, the debate reflects ongoing uncertainties in understanding the fundamental nature of matter.
  • #31
Ok so I don't have the Experience or the Knowledge, I know this.

Do you understand how hard it is to comprehend such complex mathematics in the papers that the scientists write about interesting things like string theory and unified field theories?

I would need so many years of college to get even a shred of understanding as to what those papers really mean. I don't have that ability. I'm ignorant. I'm here to learn, don't hate, everyone starts from somewhere.

I completely speculate for a definitive answer because it takes me much less effort and time than to learn the entirety of quantum mechanics and it's mathematical base.

It really would take me years to do this, and I'm interested now. I can't wait. However, I will look more closely into the physics, then go to the more advanced concepts of physics, accompanied with learning the math.

But, I'm telling you that even when I learn this math my understanding will be 1/1000 of yours, because I STILL won't understand the implications of those scientific papers, because together in all the fields of science and physics and stuff, I'm aware I can never learn all of it to comprehend the most meaning out of it.

You and others on the other hand, are primary candidates for a layman translation from technical and mathematical jargon to ordinary english that I can understand.

To me, you are nothing but a translator that let's me find the truth faster without having to learn EVERYTHING about quantum mechanics and EVERYTHING about the above-my-head math that it involves. It's too hard for me, I need a way to find the truth in these papers without having to know all that other stuff.

Believe me, people on this forum make the implications of papers and homework so simple that it really is a translation from incomprehensible to cutting-edge research stuff that I come to know as news to my ears.

If this forum doesn't help me, I have other human resources found on the internet that hopefully can help me find shortcuts to the truth of all this new research that I SO PASSIONATELY want to understand.

Will you help me learn? Will you let me understand? Or are you going to tell me to go away just because I seem to be wasting your time? That's up to you, I have other scientists to flock to to find the implications of modern research. The real news doesn't give enough. News from scientists, that's like getting information straight from the horses mouth!

I hope you don't see a problem with what I'm doing, but if you want me to stop spreading my complex assumptions and false theories to other people, I can change to just asking for the fundamentals and where to find the basics of the math and science.

It is you scientists and mathematicians that give me purpose to be here. You feed my intellect and supply it with truth which is what I want. The actual meaning of the most modern research man is currently performing. This forum is just another resource for me to learn.

And you know what I've learned that doesn't have to do with science? Is that I shouldn't bother the scientists with my own theories of how I think it works. So please let me ask my questions, but if you have something wrong with them let me know.
 
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Petradog said:
I hope you don't see a problem with what I'm doing, but if you want me to stop spreading my complex assumptions and false theories to other people, I can change to just asking for the fundamentals and where to find the basics of the math and science.

Please re-read the https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=5374" before proceeding any further.

Zz.
 
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  • #33
It would seem that people viewing certain physical phenomena as tangible "things" leads to such misconceptions. A wave is a disturbance, a "thing" that happens that transports energy materially or electromagnetically. Maybe this nuance would help in other areas.
 
  • #34
Yes I will take the time to study the most complex math, but I need to find what's after that.
 
  • #35
Petradog said:
Yes I will take the time to study the most complex math, but I need to find what's after that.

are you insane or cynic? You will not need the most complex math, you need only some basic calculus!
 
  • #36
It appears that the issue of whether atoms exist has been sufficiently addressed, and this thread is now becoming more of an "academic advice" thread. Therefore, it is done.

Zz.
 

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