Are Conventional Turkey Thawing Instructions Backwards?

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The discussion centers around the thawing instructions for frozen turkeys provided by the Butterball Turkey site, which suggest using cold tap water. Participants express skepticism about the effectiveness of this method, noting that the water temperature (around 60°F) may not adequately thaw the turkey and could even lead to ice forming on the surface, insulating it from the water. There are concerns about bacterial growth if the turkey is left in water that is too warm, with some advocating for a refrigerator thawing method as the safest option.Participants also discuss the practicality of cooking a frozen turkey, emphasizing that it is safe to do so, though it requires longer cooking times. The conversation touches on food safety, thawing techniques, and the importance of monitoring temperatures to prevent bacterial growth. Some share personal experiences and alternative methods for thawing and cooking, including using a cooler and monitoring water temperature. The thread concludes with a light-hearted exchange about Thanksgiving traditions and cooking practices.
  • #31
OmCheeto said:
Change water every 30 minutes to keep surface of turkey cold.

I think 'attempted' clarified wording would have either confused a lot of people, or been too verbose. I'm fairly certain that they meant for us to not change the water more frequently than every 30 minutes.

See what i mean?
On one hand, I agree that other wording could cause confusion or be too verbose (or is just 'verbose' verbose enough? :) ) - but no, I don't know what you mean about them implying not to change it more often than 30 minutes?

They could just say - "Change water every 30 minutes to maintain proper thawing conditions". That seems straightforward, and it sidesteps possible confusion (it confused me!) by avoiding the whole temperature reference (just do as we say!), and, one fewer word used.
 
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  • #32
NTL2009 said:
... - but no, I don't know what you mean about them implying not to change it more often than 30 minutes?
...
I rest my case.
 
  • #33
As a follow up - the two 12.5# turkeys were in a cooler in the garage (~ 50~55F) from Sunday noon to Thursday AM. I had a remote thermometer in there, and rotated the birds once a day for more even thawing. The temps stayed right around 35~38F, and I did add a couple ice packs the last day.

Since thawing is somewhat unpredictable, I decided to play it safe and take the birds out a couple hours early to check. They were still frosty inside with a lump of frozen bird-juice in the center. So I soaked them in 60F tap water for two hours, and changed it just once, as I wasn't worried about anything going bad in just two hours. The water got down to ~ 50F in that time. All turned out well.

I really would like to spatchcock the birds, and my wife mentioned that she read that the pros cur the bird up and cook the parts separately. I like that, as you can fit the pieces in the pan better, and pull the white and dark meat out when the reach temperature (which often happens at different times). However, even though we don't bring the bird to the table whole like a Normal Rockwell painting, for some reason my wife doesn't want the bird cut up before cooking. "It's just not how you do it!". Sigh.

Oh, and if our friends outside the US aren't familiar with the Norman Rockwell reference, here it is:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_from_Want

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  • #34
Just bought my 15 lb turkey and forgot how to defrost it, so I came here.
Butterball, mathematically, says I put it in the fridge too soon: Days = weight/4

But given that I know my 'fridge' temperature is not like that of an average fridge, I'll ignore them.
 
  • #35
OmCheeto said:
Just bought my 15 lb turkey and forgot how to defrost it, so I came here.
Butterball, mathematically, says I put it in the fridge too soon: Days = weight/4

But given that I know my 'fridge' temperature is not like that of an average fridge, I'll ignore them.
A turkey will always take longer than expected to thaw.
A turkey will always take longer than expected to cook.
This is the way.


Hofstadter’s law: “It always takes longer than you expect, even when you take into account Hofstadter’s law*.”

* Hofstadter’s law: “It always takes longer than you expect, even when you take into account Hofstadter’s law**.”

** Hofstadter’s law: “It always takes longer than you expect, even when you take into account Hofstadter’s law***.”

*** Hofstadter’s law: “It always takes longer than you expect, even when you take into account Hofstadter’s law****.”

**** Hofstadter’s law: “It always takes longer than you expect, even when you take into account Hofstadter’s law.”
 
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  • #36
Spatchcock it, cooks much faster and uniformly crisps the skin
 
  • #37
BWV said:
Spatchcock it, cooks much faster and uniformly crisps the skin
So rather than sphericalize your turkey, you took the lame route, and made it two dimensional.

Shame on you!
 
  • #38
OmCheeto said:
Just bought my 15 lb turkey and forgot how to defrost it, so I came here.
Butterball, mathematically, says I put it in the fridge too soon: Days = weight/4

But given that I know my 'fridge' temperature is not like that of an average fridge, I'll ignore them.
Funny to see this thread pop up again. We just put our two ~ 12~14# birds in the cooler. This thread has better notes than the ones I kept! So I should plan on a final water defrost on Thursday. Check.
 
  • #39
I don't think I saw this thread the first time thru. Today I learned what "spatchcock" means. As an aside, I have a friend who grew up working in his family's Chinese restaurant. He uses a cleaver to de-bone an uncooked turkey while keeping it intact. Now that's something to see. He trusses it up around the stuffing so it looks like a turkey; at the table everyone gets a slice.
 
  • #40
Have a nice Thanksgiving Day!
 

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