Are Cosmic Rays Actually Neutrinos?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the nature of cosmic rays, specifically whether they are primarily composed of protons or if neutrinos play a significant role. Participants reference a New York Times article that suggests cosmic rays could be neutrinos, prompting a debate on the definitions and terminology used in the context of cosmic rays.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant references a New York Times article claiming that cosmic rays are neutrinos, citing an example of a neutrino detected from a supermassive black hole.
  • Another participant argues that the NY Times may not adhere to strict scientific definitions and that "cosmic rays" could be a loose term.
  • A participant notes that protons are stopped by the atmosphere, while neutrinos are not, suggesting that neutrinos can be detected in experiments conducted deep underwater.
  • Some participants assert that cosmic rays are mostly protons, indicating a common understanding of their composition.
  • There is a mention of the NY Times' historical issues with physics reporting, implying skepticism about the article's claims.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the composition of cosmic rays, with some asserting they are primarily protons while others entertain the idea that neutrinos could be included in the discussion. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the definitions and implications of the term "cosmic rays."

Contextual Notes

There are limitations regarding the definitions of cosmic rays and the assumptions underlying the claims made by the New York Times article. The discussion highlights the potential ambiguity in terminology and the need for clarity in scientific communication.

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I had thought that cosmic rays were protons, but this NY Times article seems to say that cosmic rays are neutrinos:

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/30/science/neutrinos-lake-baikal.html

Using a grid of light detectors similar to the Baikal telescope, IceCube identified a neutrino in 2017 that scientists said almost certainly came from a supermassive black hole. It was the first time that scientists had pinpointed a source of the rain of high-energy particles from space known as cosmic rays ...
 
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The NY Times is unlikely to use strict scientific definitions. And, in any case, "cosmic rays" may be quite loose terminology.
 
Protons are stopped by atmosphere (and then ground or water). Neutrinos are not. So watching for cosmic rays deep under water shows the neutrinos.
 
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swampwiz said:
I had thought that cosmic rays were protons

Mostly protons.
 

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