Are Eggs Liquid or Solid and Why Do They Change State When Heated?

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The discussion revolves around the physical state of eggs, specifically whether they are classified as a liquid or solid, and the reasons behind their transformation into a solid state when heated. The scope includes molecular biology, protein denaturation, and the implications of these processes in cooking.

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  • One participant questions whether eggs should be classified as a liquid or a solid and why they solidify upon heating.
  • Another participant provides a detailed overview of protein structure and denaturation, explaining the process of protein folding and how it relates to the cooking of eggs.
  • A different participant suggests that when proteins are denatured, they bond with water molecules, leading to a solid state, and expresses initial confusion regarding the implications for kinetic molecular theory (KMT).
  • There is mention of the two types of secondary protein structures, α-Helix and β-pleated sheet, although the relevance to the discussion of eggs is not fully explored.

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Participants express varying levels of understanding regarding the classification of eggs and the processes involved in their cooking. There is no consensus on whether eggs are definitively a liquid or solid, nor is there agreement on the implications of these states in relation to KMT.

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The discussion includes complex biochemical concepts that may depend on specific definitions and assumptions about protein structures and states of matter. Some participants may have differing interpretations of how these concepts apply to the cooking of eggs.

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So while i was cooking my eggs this morning for breakfast, some interesting questions dawned on me.

Are eggs a liquid or a solid and more interestingly, why do they become a solid when they are heated up?

If eggs are a liquid, why don't they change into a gas? If they are a solid why don't they change into a liquid?
 
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An overview:


Molecular level (video):
http://highered.mcgraw-hill.com/sit...chapter2/animation__protein_denaturation.html

and wiki: Denaturation (like your boiling eggs)
Background
Proteins are amino acid polymers. A protein is created by ribosomes that "read" RNA that is encoded by codons in the gene and assemble the requisite amino acid combination from the genetic instruction, in a process known as translation. The newly created protein strand then undergoes posttranslational modification, in which additional atoms or molecules are added, for example copper, zinc, or iron. Once this post-translational modification process has been completed, the protein begins to fold (sometimes spontaneously and sometimes with enzymatic assistance), curling up on itself so that hydrophobic elements of the protein are buried deep inside the structure and hydrophilic elements end up on the outside. The final shape of a protein determines how it interacts with its environment.
When a protein is denatured, secondary and tertiary structures are altered but the peptide bonds of the primary structure between the amino acids are left intact. Since all structural levels of the protein determines its function, the protein can no longer perform its function once it has been denatured. This is in contrast to intrinsically unstructured proteins, which are unfolded in their native state, but still functionally active.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denatu...uration_occurs_at_levels_of_protein_structure
 
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Hmm so proteins form a helix due to hydrogen bonding among other things.

So when the proteins are denatured, they form a solid state by bonding with ##H_2O## molecules.

This is some really interesting stuff. I never knew eggs were so complicated (relatively). When I first thought about it I was like "oh no! a contradiction to the KMT", but now I see how it works.

Thank you for providing that very informative video :)
 
Zondrina said:
Hmm so proteins form a helix due to hydrogen bonding among other things.

There are two types of secondary structure:
α-Helix and β-pleated sheet:
Fig-02-19-0.jpg

The different levels of structures are:
3levelpro.4.p.jpg

p18.jpg
 

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