Are electric circuits considered as electrostatics or electrodynamics?

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The discussion revolves around the classification of electric circuits, specifically whether they fall under electrostatics or electrodynamics. Participants explore various theoretical frameworks and models applicable to both direct current (DC) and alternating current (AC) circuits, considering the nuances of electromagnetic theory.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that circuits can be described using quasistatic models, indicating a blend of electrostatics and electrodynamics.
  • One participant argues that electrostatics and electrodynamics represent a false dichotomy, proposing that there are multiple branches of electromagnetic theory, including quasielectrostatics and circuit theory.
  • Another participant explains that while the complete theory is quantum electrodynamics, classical Maxwell theory suffices for everyday applications, starting from electrostatics as the simplest case.
  • It is noted that DC circuits in equilibrium can be described using electrostatics, referencing specific literature and problems that support this view.
  • Conversely, another participant claims that DC circuits in equilibrium are better described by magnetostatics, emphasizing the need for vanishing current densities to apply electrostatics.
  • One participant highlights the role of surface charge in DC circuits, framing it as an electrostatics issue, while acknowledging the presence of a magnetic field due to non-zero current density.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether DC circuits are best described by electrostatics or magnetostatics, indicating a lack of consensus. There are also competing perspectives on the applicability of quasistatic models to AC circuits.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference specific conditions under which electrostatics or magnetostatics may apply, such as the necessity of vanishing current densities for electrostatics and the implications of surface charge in circuit behavior. The discussion remains open to interpretation based on these conditions.

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I'd say quasistatic models
 
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Anti Hydrogen said:
Summary:: hello there, in the electromagnetic theory, in what subbranch are both DC and AC circuits ?

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Electrostatics or electrodynamics is kind of a false dichotomy. There are at least 6 different branches: electrostatics, quasielectrostatics, quasimagnetostatics, circuit theory, ray optics, electrodynamics.
 
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Well, let's systemize it!

As far as we know, the complete theory explaining electromagnetic phenomena is (quantum) electrodynamics. In everyday life we almost always only need the classical Maxwell theory.

Since the full theory is a relativistic field theory and thus for full consistency one needs to describe everything relativistically, usually one teaches the theory in another order, i.e., starting from the most simple special cases and describes the charged matter non-relativistically, which is also almost always well justified for everyday-life phenomena.

The most simple special case is electrostatics. This are the full Maxwell equations for the case of charged matter strictly at rest and the electromagetic field time independent. Then the magnetic field is strictly 0 and you only have an electric field.

The next case is magnetostatics, which is a bit a misnomer, because it rather means to describe time-independent fields, charge distributions and current distributions, i.e., steady flowing matter is taken into account. Then you have both (and that's why I think "magnetostatics" is a misnomer, but I've no better idea to name it either; maybe simply static fields?). The advantage of this is that in the non-relativistic limit the electric and the magnetic field completely decouple.

Both electrostatics and magnetostatics are still in principle exact special cases of Maxwell's equations (except the non-relativistic approximation of the charged medium, which however usually is a very good approximation in everyday-life situations).

Then there is the socalled quasistationary approximation, which is however a bit more subtle than originally thought. In principle you have two limits of "Galilean electrodynamics" as this is phrased more modernly: it's the electric and the magnetic limit, depending on the situation you want to describe. Roughly speaking it boils down to neglect almost always the displacement current and thus retardation. This makes the theory applicable in regions around the sources small compared to the wavelength of the typical em. field under consideration (speaking in terms of Fourier transformed fields). A special application is AC circuit theory. Here in fact you use both limits of "Galilean electrodynamics". The point where you cannot neglect the displacement current is when it comes to capacitors. For details, see

https://itp.uni-frankfurt.de/~hees/pf-faq/quasi-stationary-edyn.pdf
 
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DC circuits in "equilibrium" so to speak (meaning a steady current) can be described using electrostatics. See, for example, J. A. Hernandes and A. K. T. Assis, Electric potential for a resistive toroidal conductor carrying a steady azimuthal current. Griffiths problem 7.42 is also a DC circuit problem that can be solved analytically. For a more general description, see Rainer Muller, A semiquantitative treatment of surface charges in DC circuits.
 
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DC circuit in "equilibrium" are magnetostatics, i.e., the full set of Maxwell equations for the special case of time-independent fields. If you want electrostatics you must also have vanishing current densities: ##\vec{j}=0##.

Of course in macroscopic magnetostatics the electric and magnetic fields decouple in the "non-relativistic approximation" of Ohm's law.

Then the complete set of equations is
$$\vec{\nabla} \times \vec{E}=0, \quad \vec{\nabla} \cdot \vec{E}=\frac{1}{\epsilon_0} \rho, \quad \vec{\nabla} \times \vec{B}=\mu_0 \vec{j}, \quad \vec{\nabla} \cdot \vec{B}=0, \quad \vec{j}=\sigma \vec{E}.$$
I.e., you can solve the electrostatic problem first, given the charge distribution and then you can solve the magnetostatic problem with the then given ##\vec{j}##.
 
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I agree with what you've said. I said what I did because I don't think many people are aware that the reason DC circuits work/behave as they do is surface charge on wires and interfaces. That is purely an electrostatics problem, but then of course there is also a magnetic field since ##\vec j## is not zero or vanishingly small.
 
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