Are gases included in sold-state physics?

In summary, the conversation discusses the inclusion of gases in solid-state physics and where to start studying this topic. It is noted that typically solid-state refers to crystalline solids, while gases, liquids, and amorphous solids do not form crystals. The study of gases on their own belongs to thermodynamics and statistical mechanics, but there are phenomena in solids that can be understood based on the physics of ideal gases. Examples include point defects in crystalline solids and electrons at the interface between certain metal oxides. A recommended book for studying solid-state physics is also mentioned. It is further mentioned that quantum gases are also considered in solid-state physics, particularly in the formation of quasi-electrons and the use of density functionals in DFT. The
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Hi everyone,

Is the behavior of gasses, on a quantum level, covered in solid-state physics? If so, where can I start? My knowledge of quantum mechanics is very conceptual, very limited in the mathematical part. But by no means do I completely understand all the concepts, just that most of the knowledge I have is conceptual. Any recommendations would be very much appreciated, thanks!
 
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Are gases included in sold-state physics?
What does "solid state" mean?
 
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Typically solid-state means <crystalline> solid-state. Gases, liquids and amorpheus solids don't form crystals.
 
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Studying gases on their own belongs to thermodynamics and statistical mechanics. However, the study of gas/solid interface is at the boundary between solid state physics and other fields (physical chemistry, materials physics, ...).

Having said that, there are phenomena in solids that can be understood based on the physics of ideal gases (classical or quantum). For example point defects in crystalline solids can be treated as an ideal classical gas. Another example, the electrons at the interface between certain metal oxides behave as a 2-dimensional gas. There are more and more examples. So to study solid state physics, you still have to have a good knowledge of gases.
A good start on the undergraduate level is the book by D. McQuarrie
https://www.amazon.com/dp/0935702997/?tag=pfamazon01-20

Beyond this general introduction, you need to specify more what you want to study in order to get help.
 
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To some degree quantum gases are also considered in solid state physics, because the quasi-electrons of metals tend to form them (Fermi gas/Fermi liquid). Also, the electron gas is important both conceptually and practically in that it forms the basis of most density functionals used in Kohn-Sham density functional theory (DFT).
 
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Thanks for the input everyone! I appreciate it greatly.
 

1. What is the definition of a solid-state in physics?

A solid-state in physics refers to the physical properties and behavior of matter in its solid form. This includes the study of the atomic and molecular structure, thermal and mechanical properties, and electronic properties of materials in their solid state.

2. How do gases behave differently from solids in physics?

Gases and solids behave differently in physics due to their molecular structure and the amount of energy present. In gases, the molecules are spread out and move freely, while in solids, the molecules are tightly packed and vibrate in place. Gases also have higher compressibility and lower density compared to solids.

3. Are gases included in solid-state physics?

Yes, gases are included in solid-state physics as they are one of the three states of matter and have distinct physical properties that can be studied and understood through solid-state physics principles.

4. How do gases interact with solids in physics?

Gases can interact with solids through various processes such as adsorption, diffusion, and reactions. These interactions can affect the properties and behavior of both the gas and the solid, and are important in fields such as catalysis and materials science.

5. What are some real-life applications of solid-state physics involving gases?

Solid-state physics has numerous real-life applications involving gases, including gas sensors, fuel cells, and gas separation membranes. It is also crucial in understanding the behavior of gases in various industrial processes and in developing new materials with specific gas-related properties.

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