Are Governors Putting Their Own Interests First?

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The discussion revolves around the behavior of politicians, particularly governors, and the perception that they often prioritize their own interests over those of their constituents. It touches on themes of corruption, narcissism, and the systemic issues within political selection processes, as well as specific examples from various states.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that politicians are motivated by both power and money, with egocentrism allowing them to dismiss criticism and pursue their interests.
  • A participant proposes a test of trustworthiness for politicians by comparing them to business managers, questioning their qualifications for leadership roles.
  • Concerns are raised about the potential for sociopathic behavior among politicians, where intelligence and discipline may be used to manipulate rather than serve constituents.
  • Another participant highlights the prevalence of narcissism among politicians, citing studies that indicate high levels of narcissism in political leaders compared to other professions.
  • Several participants reference specific states, particularly Illinois and New Jersey, as examples of places with a notable number of corrupt politicians, suggesting these states may skew perceptions of political integrity.
  • There is a humorous acknowledgment that many states are not immune to political corruption, with a light-hearted comment about the states that appear to be exceptions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the motivations and behaviors of politicians, with no clear consensus on the extent or nature of corruption among governors. Some agree on the prevalence of issues like narcissism and corruption, while others emphasize the variability across different states.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes references to specific cases of political corruption and varying perceptions of different states, indicating that the topic is influenced by regional contexts and individual experiences.

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What is about politicians, who serve themselves rather than the electorate/taxpayers?

With the conviction (to be appealed) of former Virginia GOP Gov. Bob McDonnell for corruption, fraud and bribery, his name could be added to a long list of top state officials who have experience similar failings - and this is only the last 21 years.If It's Not About Sex, It Must Be About Money — Unless It's About Power
http://www.npr.org/blogs/itsallpoli...it-must-be-about-money-unless-its-about-powerFrom Statehouse To Big House: A Guide To Governors Gone Bad ( 6 serving or have served prison time, 8 convicted without prison time)
http://www.npr.org/blogs/itsallpoli...se-to-big-house-a-guide-to-governors-gone-bad
 
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I think it's about power AND money. Successful politician are often seriously egocentric. That's one of the things that allows them to let criticism and negative comments slid off which helps them be successful at getting elected. Once in, they think they deserve whatever they can get. Fortunately although, as you point out, in absolute terms there have been quite a few of them over the years (and it is certainly NOT just in recent years) I think it still remains a reasonably small proportion of all of them. There ARE, after all, 50 governors at anyone time and a fair amount of churn in those offices, so that makes for a lot of governors per decade.
 
I suggest a simple test:

If you owned a big business and were hiring a manager, would you consider many of your politicians as trustworthy and qualified enough for that purpose?

The selection and supervision process does not work specially well in democracy. (to be clear and not look like market fundamentalist: in stock share companies with diluted ownership it also disappoints.) As general rule: you need an informed and disciplined owner, who knows what he is doing and what's going on.
 
"Informed and disciplined" is considerably too narrow, as it does not rule out sociopaths who would care only about themselves and not about their employees/constituents/stockholders/whatever and who would use their intelligence and discipline only to further their own goals (being smart enough to know that they have to be really good a faking honesty and sincerity)
 
phinds said:
"Informed and disciplined" is considerably too narrow, as it does not rule out sociopaths who would care only about themselves and not about their employees/constituents/stockholders/whatever and who would use their intelligence and discipline only to further their own goals (being smart enough to know that they have to be really good a faking honesty and sincerity)

I mean "informed and disciplined" as requirement for voters / shareholders. Rational psychopaths are OK if they had to build a wide coalition and reach a compromise that protects the best their interests.

You may only risk ending up with reduction of prison spending because of using convicts to test on them new weapons systems. ;)
 
What is about politicians, who serve themselves rather than the electorate/taxpayers?

Narcissism fuels their bad behavior.
"Most of us have brakes on our behavior. Narcissists don't have those brakes. You end up hurting people around you, and you hurt yourself in the long term."
One, reported in 1998 in Current Psychology, looked at narcissism among university faculty, clergy, politicians and librarians and found that of the four occupations, politicians scored highest in total narcissism values, as well as highest in leadership and authority.
"Ambition and narcissism are occupational hazards for all political leaders," says Stanley Renshon, a political psychologist at City University of New York and author of books dealing with psychological issues and political behavior. "Infidelity is a byproduct of narcissism."

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/health/2009-09-28-political-narcissism_N.htm
 
phinds said:
There ARE, after all, 50 governors at anyone time and a fair amount of churn in those offices, so that makes for a lot of governors per decade.

Well, yes, but it's also true that four of the last seven Illinois governors went to prison. Seems like rather a lot.
 
Vanadium 50 said:
Well, yes, but it's also true that four of the last seven Illinois governors went to prison. Seems like rather a lot.

Yes, but Illinois and New Jersey are special cases. Those are the American incubators for crooked politicians and they ruin the curve. :smile:
 
phinds said:
Yes, but Illinois and New Jersey are special cases. Those are the American incubators for crooked politicians and they ruin the curve. :smile:

I don't follow Florida politics (being as far as I can get away from it and still be in the contiguous US), but Florida must be in that group as well, don't you think?!
 
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Florida isn't immune. Nor are states whose name starts with the letters A, C, L, M, N, or W, or a whole bunch of other letters in between.

From what I've seen, it's only the states whose name starts with the letter B, J, Q, X, Y, or Z that appear to be immune.
 
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Vanadium 50 said:
Well, yes, but it's also true that four of the last seven Illinois governors went to prison. Seems like rather a lot.

Four years in the State House leads to 10-20 years in the Big House. Either way, they're sponging off the state.
 

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