Are 'if' Statements Essential in Computational Logic?

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The discussion revolves around the necessity of 'if' statements in computational logic, particularly in the context of programming constructs and decision-making processes. Participants explore whether alternatives to 'if' statements can be effectively implemented, using a bank account management program as a primary example.

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  • One participant argues that 'if' statements are fundamental for managing states in a program, using a bank account example to illustrate how they validate conditions like balance before executing operations.
  • Another participant suggests that Turing machines operate on explicit state transitions, implying that computation can exist without 'if' statements.
  • A participant points out that 'if' statements essentially represent comparisons, and even in the absence of explicit 'if' statements, decisions must still be made in programming, as seen in the proposed matrix approach.
  • It is noted that removing 'if' statements could lead to more complex and less understandable code, potentially increasing computational time and complicating debugging processes.
  • One participant expresses a preference for traditional 'if' statements over the proposed method of using array pointers for decision-making, questioning the practicality of such an approach.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on whether 'if' statements are essential. Multiple competing views are presented regarding the necessity and practicality of alternatives to 'if' statements in programming.

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The discussion highlights limitations in the proposed matrix approach, such as the potential impracticality of manually filling the matrices and the increased memory usage compared to traditional methods. There is also an acknowledgment of the complexity involved in decision-making without 'if' statements.

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This question occurred to me some time ago when I was thinking about whether or not `if` statements are fundamental in computation.
Consider a program that manages a single bank account (for the sake of simplicity). The bank account could be defined as something like
Account
{
int balance; // current amount of Money

boolean withdraw(int n)
{
if (balance >= n)
{
balance = balance -n;
return true;
}
else
return false;
}

void deposit(int n)
{
amount = amount + n;
}
}
Since the program has no way to known in which state it currently is unless it performs validations using `if` statements, as in the withdraw operation, `if` statements are unavoidable.
However, over the course of time, the program will pass through a finite set of states that can be known beforehand. In this particular case, a state is defined solely by the value of the `balance` variable, hence we would have states: `{balance = 0 , balance = 1, balance = 2...}`.
If we assign each state a number, say state {0,1,2,...} with a 1-1 correspondence to the above set of states, and assign to each operation a number identifier as well (say `deposit = 0 and withdraw = 1`), we could model the program as an explicit transition between states and therefore remove every `if` statement from the code.
Consider that `state = 0` is the state where `balance = 0` and we want to perform a deposit of 50 dollars, if we coded every single possible execution of the deposit function, we could just define the deposit function as
void deposit (int n)
{
deposit[state][n]; // index deposit instance for state = 0, amount = n;
}
`deposit[][]` would be a matrix of pointers for a set of functions that represent each possible execution of deposit, like
deposit[0][0] -> balance = balance + 0; state = 0;
deposit[0][1] -> balance = balance + 1; state = 1;
...
In the case of withdrawal, it would be like:
boolean withdraw (int n)
{
// index withdraw instance for the current state and amount=n
return withdraw[state][n];
}
`withdraw[][]` would be a matrix of pointers for a set of functions that represent each possible execution of withdraw, like:
deposit[0][100] -> return false; state = state;
...
deposit[200][100] -> balance = balance - 100; state = 100; return true;
In this situation, the program that manages the single bank account can be written without using a single `if` statement!
As a consequence however, we have to use A LOT more memory, which may make the solution unreasonable. Also one may put the question of how did we fill the `deposit[][]` and `withdraw[][]` matrices? By hand? It somehow implies that a previous computation that used `if`s as necessary to determine and possible states and transitions.
All in all, are `if`s fundamental or does my example prove that they aren't? If they are, can you provide me an example where this does not work? If they are not, why don't we use solutions like these more often?
Is there some law of computation which states that `if` statements are unavoidable?
 
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A look at Turing machines may help you.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turing_machine

It's basically the most simple computer possible that is still able to run any arbitrary algorithm. And it works only by explicit state transitions.
 
An "if" statement is just making a comparison.
You have seen the truth tables of boolean logic for AND, NAND, OR,.. gates.
The truth table, and the corresponding logic gates, are just basic "if" statements.
For an AND gate, when both inputs are "1", the output will be a "1". All other times the output will be a "0.
That is the same as IF A=1 an B=1 THEN C=1 ELSE C=0

In your program without the if statements, say for example in the deposit routine , the program still has to determine which and only which deposit[][] to execute. Does it?
 
256bits said:
An "if" statement is just making a comparison.
The if statement makes a comparison, and then chooses one of two options based on that comparison.
 
The point is that DECISIONS have to be made in programming and if statements are an extremely simple, and easy to understand, way to do that. If you get rid of them, you have to replace them with something that is likely to take as much computational time and without necessarily being as easy to understand when debugging.
 
You would find that restricting all decisions to be done using array pointers with state indices to be impractical in many cases. I personally would prefer a statement like "if( x < y){" to "execute_procedure[183]->" as you describe it. Enumerated values might help, but what is the point?
 

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