Are Images of Space Distorted by Gravity?

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The discussion revolves around the accuracy of images of space as depicted in media, particularly concerning the potential distortions caused by gravity. Participants explore the implications of gravitational effects on the visual representation of astronomical objects, including phenomena like gravitational lensing and supernovae.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question whether images of space accurately depict the universe or if they are distorted by gravitational effects.
  • One participant suggests that repulsive gravity may distort our vision more than commonly acknowledged, referencing the limited understanding of our solar system.
  • Another participant acknowledges that while gravity bends light, this effect is typically not noticeable in media images, except in cases of gravitational lensing.
  • A participant discusses supernovae, noting that their initial appearance as point sources means there is little to distort, and later remnants are too weak to cause significant image distortion.
  • Gravitational redshift is mentioned as a minor effect, primarily observable at short wavelengths, and its impact on emission lines is noted as being difficult to detect.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the extent and significance of gravitational distortion in images of space. There is no consensus on whether the images accurately represent the universe or are significantly altered by gravitational effects.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight various assumptions regarding the nature of gravitational effects, the conditions under which they may be observed, and the limitations of current understanding in astrophysics.

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I've seen images of space many times in the media. Do the images that we see acurately depict the universe? Or are the images so distorted by gravity that the true structure of the universe and various objects in it are not readily revealed?
 
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dimensionless said:
I've seen images of space many times in the media. Do the images that we see acurately depict the universe? Or are the images so distorted by gravity that the true structure of the universe and various objects in it are not readily revealed?

Not attractive gravity, but I'm quite sure that repulsive gravity distorts our vision - a lot - more than than most people want it too. If Io, Europa, and Pioneer give us any clue, it proves that we know little to nothing about the our own solar system, much less the optical properties outside it.
 
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dimensionless said:
I've seen images of space many times in the media. Do the images that we see acurately depict the universe? Or are the images so distorted by gravity that the true structure of the universe and various objects in it are not readily revealed?

Gravity does bend the path of light, but it's usually not noticable in the pictures you see in the media. There are some exceptions, however. Here is one image in which a galaxy cluster's gravity is bending the light of the objects behind it:

http://www.aip.org/history/einstein/images/lens2.jpg"

Fortunately, there are several ways to tell when an image is being significantly altered by gravitational lensing (e.g. magnification, distortion), so it's not usually a problem.
 
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I was thinking along the lines of a super nova. There you would have a rather large object, and likely a very irregular gravitational field as well.
 
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I was thinking along the lines of a super nova. There you would have a rather large object, and likely a very irregular gravitational field as well.

At the time of the exposion, supernovae appear to us as point sources (that is, we can't resolve their extent), so there's nothing really to distort. Eventually, the remnants of the supernova expand to a size where we can resolve it, but at this point the gravitational fields are far too weak to produce any distortion of the image.
 
Gravitational redshift is a minor player, even in the case of matter falling into a black hole. The major fireworks occur before gravitational redshift asserts any noticeable effects. Only at short wavelengths would the effect be noticeable - and difficult to observe [weak signal]. The net effect would smear emission lines - as observed in quasar spectral lines.
 

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