Are local min/max of a cubic function determined by the zeros alone?

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The discussion centers on whether the local minima and maxima of a cubic function can be determined solely by its zeros. Participants explore the relationship between the zeros of a cubic function and the locations of its relative extrema, considering both theoretical and practical implications.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions if the local minima and maxima of cubic functions are fixed values determined solely by their zeros, citing an example cubic function and its derivative.
  • Another participant notes that while relative extrema occur at the roots of the first derivative, not all such roots correspond to extrema, referencing the function \(y=x^3\) as an example.
  • Some participants express uncertainty about the ability to move the "humps" of the cubic function while keeping the zeros fixed, suggesting that the first derivative is necessary to identify extrema.
  • It is mentioned that the first derivative indicates where the function is increasing or decreasing, and that a change in sign around a root of the first derivative indicates an extremum, provided the root has odd multiplicity.
  • One participant highlights that for roots of even multiplicity, the sign of the first derivative does not change, which affects the presence of extrema.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relationship between zeros and extrema, with some asserting that zeros do not solely determine extrema, while others suggest that the first derivative is crucial for identifying them. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the extent to which zeros influence local minima and maxima.

Contextual Notes

Participants discuss the implications of odd and even multiplicity of roots in relation to the first derivative and its impact on the existence of extrema, but do not resolve the underlying assumptions or definitions related to these concepts.

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Just curious are cubic functions dirvel from just having the zeros, does that always determine where the local min/max is. I notice many cubic graphs given on homework show where the zeros are but the local min/max is not given.

For example
$$y=\left(x-4\right)\left(x+1\right)(x+2)={x}^{3}-{x}^{2 }-10x-8$$
$$y'=3{x}^{2 }-2x-10$$

$y'=0$ is $ - 1.5226,2.1893$ and min=-24.1926 max=1.3778

So I presume the local min/max are fixed values given the zeros
 
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If a cubic function has relative extrema, then they will occur at places where the first derivative has roots. But, at the roots of the first derivative, you won't always find an extremum...consider $y=x^3$.
 
OK I thought the humps could be moved despite the zeros but doesn't look like it.
So the only to find the extreme is by the derivative
 
karush said:
OK I thought the humps could be moved despite the zeros but doesn't look like it.
So the only to find the extreme is by the derivative

Yes, the first derivative will tell you where the function itself is increasing/decreasing/turning. If the first derivative has differing signs on either side of a root, then you know that root corresponds with an extremum for the function. This will happen for all roots as long as they are all of odd multiplicity.

Observe that in the example I gave of $y=x^3$, the first derivative has a root of even multiplicity, and so its sign does not change as it crosses this first derivative root.
 

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