Are men really dirtier than women?

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El Hombre Invisible said:
It's not unfeasible for a gent to relieve himself without needing to lay hands upon his weapon directly. You can spot the adopters of this technique by their Elvis-like hip wiggle. Beyond that, I've often wondered about the necessity for hand-washing after a stand-up. So long as there is no ricochet effect, which is a danger, what precisely are we washing off? As long as we keep our equipment squeaky clean, and those who are always (maybe over-optimistically) prepared for an impromptu early birthday treat do just that, then the recipient of our shaky-handy greeting has more to worry about the germs already on our hands, whether they were recently in physical contact with our pride and joy or not. Agree or no?
Well, as you probably know, the words "testament" and "testify" derive from the word "testes", meaning "testicles".
This refers to the ancient custom that when males made vows and contracts with each other, they did by placing their hand upon the other guy's genitalia, or at least some part of those.
This custom is euphemized in the Bible as "placing the hand on the other's thigh". Some Indonesian peoples (I think) still use this way to solemnize treaties.
Needless to say, we've euphemized this old practice into giving each other just a good hand-shake.
Of course, I personally wouldn't mind too much if this custom was to be revived in its old form in modern day Western culture; I merely pointed out that the intimacy transferral connected with unwashing might not be wanted by the majority of Westerners today..
 
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Even if you managed to get through the entire restroom trip without touching anything, since you're right there by the sinks anyway, it seems like a reasonable opportunity to wash your hands anyway. You should wash your hands several times a day just to wash off things like cold and flu viruses that you pick up from door knobs and hand rails and then infect yourself with when you rub your eyes or touch your mouth.
 
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honestrosewater said:
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I wash my hands religiously. o:)
And do you pray to the soap god then?
Yes, for strength - and to the germ god for mercy. Doesn't everyone?
And you wash with holy water? (Or is that your sister's name?)
 
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Danger said:
And you wash with holy water? (Or is that your sister's name?)
No, for some reason holy water burns my skin. I use lye water, which does happen to be my sister's name. :smile:
 
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Moonbear said:
Even if you managed to get through the entire restroom trip without touching anything, since you're right there by the sinks anyway, it seems like a reasonable opportunity to wash your hands anyway. You should wash your hands several times a day just to wash off things like cold and flu viruses that you pick up from door knobs and hand rails and then infect yourself with when you rub your eyes or touch your mouth.
You're right. Who wouldn't be willing to take a few extra minutes to avoid getting a cold or flu? It's not just a matter of washing your hands after using the bathroom. It's important to wash your hands before handling or preparing food no matter what you've been doing.

I don't like to eat food after I've made change at the drive-up window at a fast food restaurant. It's easy to forget about the handwashing routine in a case like this because we don't have access to a bathroom until we return to work or home unless we make the extra effort to pull over and go inside to use the restroom. That kind of defeats the purpose of using the drive-up window. If I do eat a hamburger or whatever it is I happen to be eating, I'll hold the wax paper wrapper in such a way so my hands aren't actually touching it. The french fries are a little trickier though. Usually I just bring it back to work with me. Yes, handling money is another excuse to wash our hands. I don't think that aspect has been discussed in this thread.

I'm borrowing a very valuable, informative quote from a poster on another discussion board. It divulges the ultimate, hand washing experience. It's a good one:

As to my public restroom habits, I always flush the toilets using my shoes, I absolutely refuse to touch the handle with my hand. I then crank out a little bit of paper and leave it there. I then proceed to wash my hands vigorously with liberal amounts of soap. When I'm done rinsing my hand, I then tear off the strip of paper and use it to cover the paper dispenser handle and crank out more paper. I then use the strip to turn off the water. When I'm done drying my hands, I open the door using the paper towel and throw it out either once I'm outside of the bathroom or if the trash can is close enough to toss it into before the door closes.

By doing that, I minimize my exposure to the various wonderful things human bodies are capable of producing. That said, I absolutely love automatic toilets, automatic water facuets, automatic soap dispensers, and automatic air hand dryers or paper dispensers. Now we just need a bathroom that cleans up after itself.
 
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Gabrielle said:
I'm borrowing a very valuable, informative quote from a poster on another discussion board. It divulges the ultimate, hand washing experience. It's a good one:
What I really hate about advice like that is that the bathroom wouldn't be nearly as dirty for everyone else if people like that didn't put their feet on the handles that you're supposed to touch with your hands or grab the handle on the paper towel dispenser BEFORE washing their hands rather than after when their hands are clean. Now the next person to get a paper towel AFTER washing their hands is going to pick up whatever germs that other person left behind.
 
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What I really hate about advice like that is that the bathroom wouldn't be nearly as dirty for everyone else if people like that didn't put their feet on the handles that you're supposed to touch with your hands or grab the handle on the paper towel dispenser BEFORE washing their hands rather than after when their hands are clean. Now the next person to get a paper towel AFTER washing their hands is going to pick up whatever germs that other person left behind.
You've made a good point. I suppose they could grab a piece of toilet paper before they come out to wash their hands and then use that to hold onto the handle of the paper towel dispenser. It takes a little extra effort and ingenuity. I guess you have to stop and figure out if it's worth the extra forethought and effort. It might sound like we're going a little overboard or turning somersaults to remain germ-free. We're facing flu season though.
 
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You've made a good point. I suppose they could grab a piece of toilet paper before they come out to wash their hands and then use that to hold onto the handle of the paper towel dispenser. It takes a little extra effort and ingenuity. I guess you have to stop and figure out if it's worth the extra forethought and effort. It might sound like we're going a little overboard or turning somersaults to remain germ-free. We're facing flu season though.
I don't know a huge number of people who are germ-phobic to that degree, but the few that I have run into, I notice seem to be the ones who are sick all the time anyway. I could speculate many things based on that observation; 1) maybe they're germ-phobic because they get sick often and are desperately trying to do anything possible to avoid more illnesses, 2) maybe they have always been excessively clean/germ-phobic, and that has left them with too little exposure to common germs to build up normal immunity, 3) maybe their obsession focuses on only specific sources of germs, such as paper towel dispensers in public bathrooms and leaves them with a false sense of security so they are not as cautious about things like rubbing their eyes or putting their hands to their mouth and transferring germs from sources they don't think about, like handrails on stair cases, or walking through a crowded mall.

Maybe there are even more explanations, or maybe my small sample size doesn't reflect the more general population of germ-phobes, or maybe I'm a biased observer because I take more note of the health of someone who is obsessed over illness than someone who does not much complain.

Oh, on the topic of the coming cold and flu season, why won't sick people stay home?! I do start washing my hands very frequently at that time of year because all the sick people come to work, cough and sneeze on their hands then touch everything! They come in insisting they can't miss a day of work, but they are totally unproductive, or worse, make a lot of mistakes because they're sick, and infect everyone else. If someone has the flu and should be home, that's where I want them to be. I'll personally do their work for them if it can't wait for their return if they'll just not get everyone else sick. If they've run out of sick days because they've already had to stay home with three sick kids during flu season, I won't even ask them to report the absence, I'd rather they lie and pretend they were at work when they aren't than to bring their germs in and render everyone unable to work.
 
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I have plenty of sick leave. I only use it for doctor and dentist appointments. I have 960 hours of sick leave--213.94 hours have lapsed but I don't lose it permanently. I can get that sick leave back if I should ever need it for catastrophic illness. I also have 270.6 hours of vacation. I can't accumulate more than 320 hours of vacation. I have a lot because I only take one or two days at a time. I don't use a lot of time. If I had children at home, that would be another story. Of course, you need to stay home when you have small children at home with the usual childhood illnesses.
 
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Well, as you probably know, the words "testament" and "testify" derive from the word "testes", meaning "testicles".
This refers to the ancient custom that when males made vows and contracts with each other, they did by placing their hand upon the other guy's genitalia, or at least some part of those.
This custom is euphemized in the Bible as "placing the hand on the other's thigh". Some Indonesian peoples (I think) still use this way to solemnize treaties.
Needless to say, we've euphemized this old practice into giving each other just a good hand-shake.
Of course, I personally wouldn't mind too much if this custom was to be revived in its old form in modern day Western culture; I merely pointed out that the intimacy transferral connected with unwashing might not be wanted by the majority of Westerners today..
Didn't the tradition of shaking hands come about, like saluting, as a way to show you were not carrying a weapon.
 
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I would rather shake someone's hand than their weapon.
 
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I wonder if it was actually a shaking of the next guys weapon, or just a good grasping. The idea of shaking it seems ludicrous. :rofl: :rofl:
 
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I wonder if it was actually a shaking of the next guys weapon, or just a good grasping. The idea of shaking it seems ludicrous. :rofl: :rofl:
I think they should shake and hum while they're doing it, too.
 
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I'm sure if that article says: Are women dirtier than men? these feministas are going ballistic.

Additionally, watch most commercials men are always portrayed as incompetent yutz who can't take care of themselves.
 
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The_Professional said:
I'm sure if that article says: Are women dirtier than men? these feministas are going ballistic.
So, why are so many men here trying to defend not washing their hands rather than demonstrating that they are not as dirty as the article suggests? :tongue2: I think the title was meant to get a reaction, so I was actually a little surprised that there were so many responsese actually trying to defend NOT washing hands rather than jumping up and pointing out that of course they wash their hands every time, or complaining that you have to skip it because there aren't enough sinks, or something to contradict the article.

Additionally, watch most commercials men are always portrayed as incompetent yutz who can't take care of themselves.
Those annoy me too. There was one commercial for one of those flsuhable toilet cleaning products that had a group of men sitting around watching a football game and talking as if they were at a tea party about how nicely the toilet sparkles and how easy it was to use that product. It was done totally tongue-in-cheek though, so still didn't break the stereotype, it just used the stereotype to be humorous. I actually wrote to one department store and complained about their ads that portrayed men as totally incompetent to take care of children and portrayed the women as shop-a-holics. I was more bothered by the way they portrayed the men in that one, mostly because they were trying to advertise a sale, so of course you're going to show someone loving shopping, but there was no need to show the men at home in the midst of a child-created disaster area crying, "Where's your mother?!" It's like those who call it babysitting when a father stays home to watch his children...um...no...it's parenting.
 
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Has everyone washed their hands at least five times today? :smile:
 
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I can remember washing my hands 7 times before i had a bath.
 
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I probably wash my hands at least once every 1-2 hours while I'm awake. I probably don't wash my hands very often while I'm asleep - unless I'm sleepwalking... hmmm...
 
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Much more. As a general rule, I'll wash them every time I use the loo, prepare food, handle my pets or do anything else that may make them dirty (today's labwork for example.) Probably washed them more than 15 times today.
 

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