Are Pagers More Reliable Compared to Phones?

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The discussion revolves around the reliability of pagers compared to cellphones, focusing on factors such as signal transmission, bandwidth requirements, and environmental influences on communication. It includes technical reasoning and anecdotal evidence related to communication in complex environments.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question how a pager can be more reliable than a cellphone, particularly in complex environments where signal reception is affected by materials that block radio signals.
  • One participant notes that pagers transmit simple data messages requiring less bandwidth, which may allow text messages to be received in areas where cellphone calls cannot be made.
  • Another point raised is that pagers operate on separate frequency bands with less traffic, potentially enhancing their reliability compared to cellphones, which face competition for bandwidth.
  • However, it is also mentioned that the limited number of pager channels in certain areas could decrease their reliability compared to cellphone infrastructure.
  • Additionally, the higher power output of pager base transmitters is highlighted, suggesting that this could contribute to their reliability in certain contexts.
  • One participant shares an anecdote about using pager systems in Australia and New Zealand to monitor band conditions for amateur radio, indicating a practical application of pagers in assessing communication quality.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the reliability of pagers versus cellphones, with some supporting the idea that pagers may be more reliable under certain conditions while others raise counterarguments regarding infrastructure limitations and environmental factors. The discussion remains unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference specific technical aspects of signal transmission and environmental influences, but the discussion does not reach a consensus on the overall reliability of pagers compared to cellphones.

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If true, can you explain how a pager is more reliable than a cellphone when a signal is deterministic of the complexity of the environment? (when a signal is received in a complex environment - how materials block radio signals).
 
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Also, pagers generally have separate frequency bands, which have little traffic on them. You are competing with many other users for cellphone text bandwidth, but pagers do not have such large traffic demands. Still, to optimize the costs of pager infrastructure, they may choose to have very few pager channels in a given area, which would tend to decrease their reliability compared to cellphone infrastructure.
 
Alan Arqueza said:
If true, can you explain how a pager is more reliable than a cellphone when a signal is deterministic of the complexity of the environment? (when a signal is received in a complex environment - how materials block radio signals).

berkeman said:
Also, pagers generally have separate frequency bands, which have little traffic on them. You are competing with many other users for cellphone text bandwidth, but pagers do not have such large traffic demands. Still, to optimize the costs of pager infrastructure, they may choose to have very few pager channels in a given area, which would tend to decrease their reliability compared to cellphone infrastructure.

Yes, agreed, and also, pager base transmitters in general a substantially higher power output ... kiloWatts. They are TX only and can run the
high power transmitters as there is no receiver on site to have to have protective filtering.

In Australia and New Zealand, us amateur radio operators use the pager systems in each country to determine band opening conditions across the Tasman sea gap, between the countries. When we hear the 150 - 155MHz pagers starting to come in, we are alerted to the fact that ducting is starting to occur and we should start listening out for our 144.2 MHz SSB frequencies for contactsDave
 
davenn said:
In Australia and New Zealand, us amateur radio operators use the pager systems in each country to determine band opening conditions across the Tasman sea gap, between the countries. When we hear the 150 - 155MHz pagers starting to come in, we are alerted to the fact that ducting is starting to occur and we should start listening out for our 144.2 MHz SSB frequencies for contacts
Dave: you are a mine of sexy information. That is such a random thing - and so useful as a channel quality monitor.
 
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