Are Space and Time Inseparable Aspects of Our Universe?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion explores the relationship between space and time, questioning whether they are inseparable aspects of the universe. It touches on theoretical implications, the nature of spacetime, and the existence of time for photons.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that space and time are like two sides of a coin, suggesting that one cannot exist without the other.
  • Others reference Wheeler's idea that matter influences the curvature of spacetime, while spacetime dictates the motion of matter, indicating a mutual dependence.
  • It is noted that if no objects exist in the universe, spacetime may lack meaning, which challenges Newton's concept of an absolute spacetime background.
  • Some participants argue that space and time have never been observed independently, raising questions about the possibility of space existing without time.
  • A later reply introduces the concept of two-time physics, suggesting the existence of two temporal dimensions and hinting at the impossibility of three-time or higher-time physics, though details are not provided.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying viewpoints on the inseparability of space and time, with no consensus reached on the nature of their relationship or the implications for the existence of time for photons.

Contextual Notes

Some claims rely on interpretations of theoretical physics, and there are unresolved assumptions regarding the definitions of space, time, and their interrelation.

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Are space & time same ,like two sides of a coin , one cannot exist without another ? Also does time exist for photons ?
 
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mkbh_10 said:
Are space & time same ,like two sides of a coin , one cannot exist without another ? Also does time exist for photons ?
Wheeler(not sure) said matter tells spacetime how to curve, and spacetime tells matter how to move. Actually, if there were no objects in the universe, then the spacetime has no meaning. This contradicts to Newton's absolute concept of spacetime background. That's why the RHS of the Einstein equation is matter, the LHS of it is geometry. In some sense, the spatial space and temperal space cannot be separated. Because it's a spacetime continuum. What Einstein did is to bring space and time on equal footing.
Althou the proper time doesn't flow on the photon, the worldline of photon is still in the spacetime continuum.
 
mkbh_10 said:
Are space & time same ,like two sides of a coin , one cannot exist without another ? Also does time exist for photons ?
Space and time have never been observed to exist without the other. Whether they can is a different story. For space to exist without time would mean that there has to be a space where there are objects present but for which nothing can happen, no motion no nothing.

Pete
 
ismaili said:
Wheeler(not sure) said matter tells spacetime how to curve, and spacetime tells matter how to move. Actually, if there were no objects in the universe, then the spacetime has no meaning. This contradicts to Newton's absolute concept of spacetime background. That's why the RHS of the Einstein equation is matter, the LHS of it is geometry. In some sense, the spatial space and temperal space cannot be separated. Because it's a spacetime continuum. What Einstein did is to bring space and time on equal footing.
Althou the proper time doesn't flow on the photon, the worldline of photon is still in the spacetime continuum.

By the way, I come up with that I heard a talk which addressed the two-time physics, meaning, there are two temporal dimensions. They can prove that three-time physics or higher-time physics are impossible. I forgot the details, anyway, a crazy idea.
 

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