Are the following Sets: Open, Closed, Compact, Connected

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The discussion revolves around the classification of two sets, S and V, in terms of their properties as open, closed, compact, and connected. The sets are defined using interval notation, which is a point of confusion for some participants.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants explore the definitions of closed and open sets, particularly in relation to limit points and interval notation. There are attempts to classify the sets based on their boundaries and intersections, with some questioning the notation used.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing insights and questioning each other's reasoning. Some have pointed out potential misunderstandings regarding the properties of the sets, particularly concerning limit points and the implications of the interval notation.

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There is a noted confusion regarding the interval notation, specifically the inclusion of boundary points and the interpretation of the sets. Additionally, the distinction between closed and open sets is being examined, with references to definitions from various sources.

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Homework Statement


Ok I created this question to check my thinking.
Are the following Sets: Open, Closed, Compact, Connected

Note: Apologies for bad notation.

S: [0,1)∪(1,2]
V: [0,1)∩(1,2]

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S: [0,1)∪(1,2]
V: [0,1)∩(1,2]

The Attempt at a Solution



S: [0,1)∪(1,2]
Closed - because 0 and 2 represent boundary points
Compact - because S is closed and bounded
Not Connected - because it can be separated into two open disjoint sets [0,1) and [2]

V: [0,1)∩(1,2]
Open - because the set is (1)
Not Compact - because it is open
Connected - because it cannot be separated into two open disjoint sets
 
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Another definition of closed is that the set contains its limit points. I can think of one limit point of S that is not in S. Are you familiar with the definition of a ball or some books call it a neighborhood.

As for V, as written, V is empty. The ")" means everything up to, but not including.
 
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MostlyHarmless said:
Another definition of closed is that the set contains its limit points. I can think of one limit point of S that is not in S. Are you familiar with the definition of a ball or some books call it a neighborhood.

As for V, as written, V is empty. The ")" means everything up to, but not including.

Yes I am aware of a ball. It is used in my book to explain the concept of an open set.
But even so, I thought it was closed, because for the Union I get [0,2] which is, as I understood it, by default closed, given that it includes the boundary points namely, 0 and 2?
What am I missing? What example do you have?As for V . . . didn't realize the intersection there is the null set . . . really thought it was 1 . . . damn.

Thanks.
 
You're getting confused on your interval notation. 1 is not in your set S as written. 1 is not in [0, 1) and 1 is not in (1,0]. But any ball centered at 1 will intersect your set non-trivially, thus 1 is a limit point but it is not in S. So S is not closed.

Also, closed and not open are not the same thing, a set can be both closed and open or neither open nor closed.
 

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