Are the proton and electron quantum entangled in the hydrogen atom?

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The discussion centers on whether the proton and electron in a hydrogen atom are quantum entangled and how their wavefunctions are described. It explores the nature of their individual and joint wavefunctions, as well as implications from quantum electrodynamics (QED).

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants state that the proton and electron are described by separate wavefunctions but question whether they become quantum entangled when forming a hydrogen atom.
  • It is proposed that while the proton and electron are distinguishable particles with individual wavefunctions, there exists a joint wavefunction for the hydrogen atom that describes the overall system.
  • Some argue that certain properties, such as spin or total angular momentum, may be entangled between the two particles.
  • One participant mentions that the hydrogen atom can be in an entangled state, suggesting that the proton and electron do not have individual wavefunctions but rather mixed states.
  • Another viewpoint posits that in non-relativistic quantum mechanics, the wavefunction does not factor into separate parts for the electron and proton, indicating entanglement in terms of their observables.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of the wavefunctions and entanglement of the proton and electron in the hydrogen atom. There is no consensus on whether they are entangled or how their wavefunctions should be interpreted.

Contextual Notes

The discussion touches on complexities introduced by quantum electrodynamics, which may affect the interpretation of the hydrogen atom's wavefunction and entanglement properties.

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TL;DR
Do the proton and electron share the same wavefunction in describing the hydrogen atom?
The proton and electron are described by separate wavefunctions.
When they come together in the hydrogen atom are they quantum entangled and have a joint wavefunction.
 
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Stevexyz said:
TL;DR Summary: Do the proton and electron share the same wavefunction in describing the hydrogen atom?

The proton and electron are described by separate wavefunctions.
When they come together in the hydrogen atom are they quantum entangled and have a joint wavefunction.
An electron and a proton are distinguishable particles and are described by different wavefunctions. That said, there is also a wavefunction for the overall system of the two particles. I.e. a wavefunction for the hydrogen atom, which will be a two-particle wavefunction.

Some of the properties of the two particles may be entangled, such as spin or total angular momentum.
 
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Strictly speaking, since the overall hydrogen atom can be in a state which is entangled, the proton and electron won't individually have wave-functions but more general mixed states as mentioned in the paper linked in the previous post.

In QED the description of hydrogen becomes even more complex as there we have contributions from states with higher particle number beyond just the proton-electron pair.
 
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The electron and proton in the H atom are entangled. In the non-relativistic (Schrödinger) theory you can argue as follows:

The wave function factorizes not in an electron and a proton part but in the "center-of mass" and "relative" motion part. In terms of electron and proton observables this is not a product state. For details, see the paper already quoted in #3:

https://arxiv.org/abs/quant-ph/9709052
 
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