Are the Red Terms Equal to Zero in This Cross Product Problem?

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The discussion centers on the relationship between angular momentum and torque in a system of particles, specifically addressing the conditions under which certain terms in the equations become zero. Participants clarify that the terms in red are equal to zero due to the nature of the vectors involved, while the assumption that the acceleration vectors are parallel does not hold. The conversation emphasizes the importance of re-evaluating assumptions about vector relationships in the context of angular momentum and linear momentum.

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Background: we're trying to show that the rate of change of angular momentum of an object about its center of mass (position given by R) is equal to the total torque about R.

Why are the terms in red equal to 0? If anything, shouldn't the terms circled in in blue be equal to zero since the vectors R and ai are parallel and ri` and ai` are parallel?

Thank you!
 

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What would it mean if, as you say, the acceleration of each individual particle were parallel to \vec R?
 
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Then there is no angular momentum and only linear momentum?

EDIT: actually i made an error with my question. the new image is attached.
If ri` and ai` are parallel, shouldn't the cross-product be 0? So in the last line, the Ʃ miri` × A would be left instead?
 

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sparkle123 said:
Then there is no angular momentum and only linear momentum?
No. Reexamine your assumption.

EDIT: actually i made an error with my question. the new image is attached.
If ri` and ai` are parallel, shouldn't the cross-product be 0?
Why do you think they are parallel?
 
tms said:
No. Reexamine your assumption.Why do you think they are parallel?

Isn't a the double derivative of r (so they are parallel)?
Thanks again!
 
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That doesn't mean they must be parallel. If it did, it would mean that you could change the forces on an object just by moving the origin of the coordinate system.
 

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